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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by croes »

dudul wrote: post #646
croes wrote: post #603

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In 2006, the Federal Administrative Court justified the absence of compulsory military service for women in a ruling, citing, among other reasons, that women face greater burdens in the domestic sphere than men and that this alone would justify their exemption from military service obligations. So military service is seen as a service like healthcare and care services where women already do most of the work, mostly p…

You got to admire the fantastic mental gymnastic some people are able to pull off to evade the arrows of accountability and integrity...

I more astound by the mental gymnastics how people can point at every single thing where women get an advantage but at the same tome ignore all the others where they are still disadvantaged

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #613
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #572

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It isn’t “every law.” It’s not written to be directly operationalised. You’re comparing a declaration of values to operational law; they’re words in different ways and contexts.

Is a "declaration of values" more than words if there is no power that is willing to enforce it?

> Is a "declaration of values" more than words if there is no power that is willing to enforce it?

Yes. Nobody directly enforces the policy papers or the Declaration of Independence. That doesn’t mean they don’t have corporeal value. In part, due to being translated into laws.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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consumer451 wrote: post #643
wesammikhail wrote: post #642

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0wIgeAqLiA Turn CC=on for those in the USA/EU. Our Russian brothers and sisters want to be part of EU instead of the Kremlin, fight me. What is super fucked up is that while Russian education is top-notch, see Google.com founders, meanwhile, Russia is so fucked up that they cannot take advantage of any of this. Buckle tf up Europe.

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Post by throwawaypath »

croes wrote: post #669
guerrilla wrote: post #630

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They have a job and they are paid for it. They also do have pensions and social security benefits: through their husbands. If the husband remains alive, they continue to be paid as they were before retirement. If he dies, they often inherent his pension and assets. It's a terrible system and we need to modernize it but you're still wrong on all of your points.

No, they are not paid. Their husbands get paid, they have all the pensions and social security benefits, not them. Means total dependence on their husbands. If they get a divorce they have nothing.

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consumer451 wrote: post #643
wesammikhail wrote: post #642

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0wIgeAqLiA Turn CC=on for those in the USA/EU. Our Russian brothers and sisters want to be part of EU instead of the Kremlin, fight me. What is super fucked up is that while Russian education is top-notch, see Google.com founders, meanwhile, Russia is so fucked up that they cannot take advantage of any of this. Buckle tf up Europe.

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Post by xandrius »

whynotmaybe wrote: post #241
xandrius wrote: post #176

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And what about a government which sends sons? Your point makes absolutely no sense, especially in relation to feminism. Equal rights and equal duties.

Yes, but in 12 month, 1 man and 20 women can produce the 20 kids. It's not the case with 1 woman and 20 men.

50 men and 50 women. You have to send 50 people to the front. You'd send 49 men, leave one behind for reproduction purposes, have 50 women at home and be short of 1 person.

Or we could embrace equality and send 25 men and 25 women, leaving behind 25 of each to do whatever they want.

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Post by watwut »

vasac wrote: post #518
sveme wrote: post #493

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Are you implying that this is Germany getting ready to invade Poland?

I’m implying they aren’t getting ready because they think Russians are going to march on Berlin.

Russians are expanding and meddling in EU countries. Those are facts.

Russians talk about further expansion too.

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Post by victorbjorklund »

coldtea wrote: post #82
victorbjorklund wrote: post #79

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No, it literally says the law says you must seek permission if you wanna leave for more than 3 months and the govt must always grant you this if not in a war. And if you fail to seek permission nothing happens. You can ignore it without consequence.

> And if you fail to seek permission nothing happens. You can ignore it without consequence The consequence is you violated the law, and they can have you at any time, even retroactively, for that. That they don't is merely a detail. If it really has "no consequence" they should remove it.

Yea, you violated a law that is not enforced. Like how you are violating the law if you give some money to the neighbors kid to mow your lawn or if you cook some pie and you give it away to a friend without having proper certifications (at least in Sweden on paper you need to have certification to do that. Of course it is not enforced)

And no, Germany does not allow retroactive criminal punishments. That’s more something that happens in Russia, China and probably soon America

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Post by victorbjorklund »

ultrarunner wrote: post #226
wat10000 wrote: post #137

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Civilized countries don’t allow retroactively increasing the penalty for breaking a law. Does Germany allow that?

The penalty doesn't have to be increased, it just needs to be selectively enforced.

There is no penalty.

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Post by jandrewrogers »

samus wrote: post #565
jandrewrogers wrote: post #461

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Most roles in the military require ad hoc applications of brute strength to do the job competently even if it isn't per se part of the job description. This includes things like operating vehicles, desk jobs, etc. In the military context, almost every job must be performed in the field or in the absence of (working) machinery. You still must be capable of carrying the equipment load-out for your role on your back. Th…

None of this disqualifies women from service. Of course, special forces and frontline troops will face these challenges day-to-day , but women who can't handle this will simply wash out from those. Which is not a big problem; only a tiny percentage of the military comprises these.

It affects a far broader swath of military roles than you are imagining and you are regularly required to assume secondary roles, few of which are anything like their civilian counterparts. This is the issue long-recognized by the military from experience. It isn’t an arbitrary disqualification of women. Even combat units don’t deal with these challenges day-to-day but they occur often enough for most roles that you need to be capable.

I am against all conscription on principle but I know why militaries made the pragmatic choice to selectively target men even if I don’t agree with it. These things have been studied to death, been put into practice by many countries, and the solutions are all quite bad in their own way.

Strict gender-blind standards drives strong gender segregation by role which in practice produced adverse second-order consequences. Also political blowback in a number of countries because the roles most women could qualified for in practice were perceived as lower status. Unequal standards create a whole raft of other social and operational problems.

To put it another way, all of these problems exist even in the absence of conscription.

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