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AI adoption and Solow's productivity paradox

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Re: AI adoption and Solow's productivity paradox

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This may mean the centaur era will be shorter than expected. If we take as a given that:

* AI is doing real work

* Humans using AI don't seem to get more done with AI than without

There is a huge economic pressure to remove humans and just let the AI do the work without them as soon as possible.

Re: AI adoption and Solow's productivity paradox

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It matters because as long as they are selling inference for less than it costs to serve they have a potential path to profitability. Training costs are fixed at whatever billions of dollars per year. If inference is profitable they might conceivably make a profit if they can build a model that's good enough to sign up vast numbers of paying customers. If they lose even more money on each new customer they don't have…

But only if you ignore all the other market participants, right? How can we ever reach a point where all the i.e. smaller Chinese competitors perpetually trailing behind SOTA with a ~9 month lag but at a tiny fraction of the cost stop existing? I mean we just have to look at old discussions about Uber for the exact same arguments. Uber, after all these years, still is at a negative 10 % lifetime ROI , and that compan…

I am also thinking long term where is the moat if it will inevitably lead to price competition? Like it's not a Microsoft product suite that your whole company is tied in multiple ways. LLMs can be quite easily swapped to another.

Re: AI adoption and Solow's productivity paradox

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The comparison seems flawed in terms of cost. A Claude subscription is 20 bucks per worker if using personal accounts billed to the company, which is not very far from common office tools like slack. Onboarding a worker to Claude or ChatGPT is ridiculously easy compared to teaching a 1970’s manual office worker to use an early computer. Larger implementations like automating customer service might be more costly, but…

I see no reason to believe that just handing a Claude subscription to everyone in a company simply creates economic benefit. I don't think it's easier than "automating customer service". It's actually very strange. I think it could definitely already create economic benefit, after someone instructed clearly how to use it and how to integrate it in your work. Most people are really not good at figuring that out on the…

I wish people in my company even used their Claude code or Cursor properly rather than asking me non-sense questions all the time that the model can easily answer with the connected data sources. And these people are developers.

This shit will take like 10 years to adopt properly, at least in most boomer companies.

I use these all the time nowadays and they are great tools when utilized properly but I have hard time seeing it replace functions completely due to humans having limited cognitive capacity to multitask and still needing to review stuff and build infra to actually utilize all this..

Re: AI adoption and Solow's productivity paradox

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Is inference really that cheap? Why can't I do it at home with a reasonable amount of money?

Capex vs opex?

Well, both? I need money for the equipment, and I need money for electricity.

Capex is probably the biggest hurdle, but I can see how electricity cost might become a factor under heavy use.

Re: AI adoption and Solow's productivity paradox

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The comparison seems flawed in terms of cost. A Claude subscription is 20 bucks per worker if using personal accounts billed to the company, which is not very far from common office tools like slack. Onboarding a worker to Claude or ChatGPT is ridiculously easy compared to teaching a 1970’s manual office worker to use an early computer. Larger implementations like automating customer service might be more costly, but…

What if LLMs are optimizing the average office worker's productivity but the work itself simply has no discernable economic value? This is argued at length in Grebber's Bullshit Jobs essay and book.

But they're not optimizing the average worker's productivity. That's a silicon valley talking point. The average worker, IF they use AI, ends up proofreading the text for the same amount of time as it would take to write the text themselves.

And it is of this lowly commenter's opinion that proofreading for accuracy and clarity is harder than writing it yourself and defending it later.

Re: AI adoption and Solow's productivity paradox

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Just to be clear, the article is NOT criticizing this. To the contrary, it's presenting it as expected , thanks to Solow's productivity paradox [1]. Which is that information technology similarly (and seemingly shockingly) didn't produce any net economic gains in the 1970's or 1980's despite all the computerization. It wasn't until the mid-to-late 1990's that information technology finally started to show clear benef…

I mean the productivity paradox was only temporarily remedied. Around 2005 we entered a second version of the paradox and it persists to this day. I'll note that 2005 was when the internet became dominated by walled-gardens and social-media, _and_ it was the last year that people got to use the internet without smartphones (in 2006 LG released a smartphone, with Apple releasing iPhone in 2007).

The combination of attention-draining social media walled gardens, and the high performance pocket-computers (which are really designed for consumption instead of productivity), created a positive feedback loop that helped destroy the productivity that we won by defeating the paradox in the 1990s. And we have been struggling against this new paradox for twenty years, since. AI seems like it should defeat the paradox because it is a kind of hands-free system, perfect for mobile phones -- but this is really just a very expensive solution to a problem that we have created and allowed to fester. We could just shun the walled gardens, and demand to be paid for our attention and data.

The new productivity paradox (which I do not think AI in its current form can fix[1][2]), is the price that we pay for a prosperous and valuable advertising industry. And as long as the web is seen as an ad-channel, and as long as the web is always vibrating in your pocket, we will keep paying this price. We will eventually end up (metaphorically) lobotomizing our children, and families, and communities, so that the grand-children of ad-executives and tech-bros and frat-bros can grow up healthy, psychologically stable, educated, and comfortably wealthy. (Brain drain: now available literally everywhere).

[1]: It is telling that most LLMs are centralized, and are most useful as search-engines/information-retrieval-systems. The centralization makes them _spyware_, and their ability to directly answer any question, encourages users to actually ask direct questions, instead of stringing search-terms together. This makes the prompts high-signal advertising data (i.e. instead inferring what you are looking for from the search-string, these companies can see _exactly_ what you are looking for and why -- and with LLMs, they can probably turn these promps into joint-probability-tables or whatever other kind of serialization they need to figure out which products to sell you (either on the web or directly in the response to your prompt)).

[2]: As far as copyright infringement goes, LLM outputs may require mass clean-room rewrites (so your productivity, as pathetic as it already is, now gets _halved_ long term) of text, prose, code, and anything else that is produced with them, because of how copyright law works. In legal arts this is called _the fruit of the poison tree_, and any short-term productivity gains, may become long term liabilities that need to be replaced due to _legal mandate_ -- so even if LLMs can eventually produce perfect and faultless outputs, the copyright laws _in all 200+ countries_ would have to be torn down and rebuilt (and this will certainly come at great expense).

Re: AI adoption and Solow's productivity paradox

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This is one of my major concerns about people trying to use these tools for 'efficiency'. The only plausible value in somebody writing a huge report and somebody else reading it is information transfer. LLM's are notoriously bad at this. The noise to signal ratio is unacceptably high, and you will be worse off reading the summary than if you skimmed the first and last pages. In fact, you will be worse off than if you…

> LLM's are notoriously bad at this. The noise to signal ratio is unacceptably high I could go either way on the future of this, but if you take the argument that we're still early days, this may not hold. They're notoriously bad at this so far . We could still be in the PC DOS 3.X era in this timeline. Wait until we hit the Windows 3.1, or 95 equivalent. Personally, I have seen shocking improvements in the past 3 mo…

First impressions are everything. It's going to be hard to claw back good will without a complete branding change. But... where do you go from 'AI'???

Re: AI adoption and Solow's productivity paradox

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If you know good architecture and you are testing as you go, I would say, it is probably pretty damn close to being able to build a company without looking at the code. Not without "risk" but definitely doable and plausible. My current project that I started this weekend is a rust client server game with the client compiled into web assembly. I do these projects without reading the code at all as a way to gauge what…

Security auditor and criminals have a bright future ahead of them.

That is why I said "risk". Though the models are pretty good "if" you ask for security audits. Notice I didn't say you could do it without technical knowledge right now, so you need to know to ask for security review.

I have friends in security on major platforms who are impressed by the security review of the SOT models. Certainly better than the average bootstrapped founder.

Re: AI adoption and Solow's productivity paradox

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It's not that AI is ineffective, but it will take time to create solutions that are actually highly useful in real-world business scenarios.

Quickly slapping "AI features" on a bunch of existing products -- like almost every SW company seems to have done in an effort to appear "on the cutting edge" -- accomplishes almost nothing.

Re: AI adoption and Solow's productivity paradox

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You are forgetting that they are now going to use AI to summarize it back.

An economy of the LLMs, by the LLMs, for the LLMs, shall not perish from the Earth.

Rather poignant actually. By replacing people with LLM's, you've just made the economy as a whole something which can be owned.
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