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Re: The Waymo World Model

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Post by xnx »

doctoboggan wrote: post #326
scoofy wrote: post #312

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As someone who lives in the Bay Area we already have trains, and they're literally past the point of bankruptcy because they (1) don't actually charge enough maintain the variable cost of operations, (2) don't actually make people pay at all, and (3) don't actually enforce any quality of life concerns short of breaking up literal fights. All of this creates negative synergies that pushes a huge, mostly silent segment…

> they (1) don't actually charge enough maintain the variable cost of operations Why do you expect them to make money? Roads don't make money and no one thinks to complain about that. One of the purposes of government is to make investment in things that have more nebulous returns. Moving more people to public transit makes better cities, healthier and happier citizens, stronger communities, and lets us save money on…

This gets repeated a lot, but is unpersuasive. How much money should a transit system lose? $20 per trip? $40 per trip? There might be mass transit systems that make sense (e.g buses), but most mass transit in the US is terrible quality and a terrible value. One argument is that it's a jobs program for the disadvantaged, but even there we could find a lot of things more useful than moving around empty seats most of the day.

Roads are used and essential to every single person whether they use a car or not. Every single product you consume was transported over roads.

Drivers are the problem, not roads. Drivers kill, maim, pollute, and disturb the peace in ways AVs do not.

Re: The Waymo World Model

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Post by xnx »

nunez wrote: post #564
scoofy wrote: post #312

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As someone who lives in the Bay Area we already have trains, and they're literally past the point of bankruptcy because they (1) don't actually charge enough maintain the variable cost of operations, (2) don't actually make people pay at all, and (3) don't actually enforce any quality of life concerns short of breaking up literal fights. All of this creates negative synergies that pushes a huge, mostly silent segment…

As a fellow public transit fan, you're on the money. Even the shining stars of transit in the US --- NYC MTA subway and CTA --- have huge qualuty of life issues. I can't fault someone for not wanting to ride trains ever again when someone who hasn't showered in 41 years pulls up with a cart full of whatever the fuck and decides to squat the corner seat closest to the car door and be a living biological weapon during…

Waymo wouldn't dare propose it, but it would be fascinating to see about how much better train right-of-ways could be utilized by AVs.

Re: The Waymo World Model

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Post by xnx »

caycep wrote: post #313
scoofy wrote: post #312

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As someone who lives in the Bay Area we already have trains, and they're literally past the point of bankruptcy because they (1) don't actually charge enough maintain the variable cost of operations, (2) don't actually make people pay at all, and (3) don't actually enforce any quality of life concerns short of breaking up literal fights. All of this creates negative synergies that pushes a huge, mostly silent segment…

Well then invest in those things, then. It would probably cost less than the amount they're spending to make a Waymo World Model.

Probably not. Waymo has spent ~$30 billion to date. One mile of tunnel in NYC cost about $1 billion.

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Post by xnx »

scoofy wrote: post #445
GoatInGrey wrote: post #426

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> most people don't want to use I'm not sure if this was intended or not, but this is a common NIMBY refrain. The argument of "This thing being advocated for that I'm fighting against isn't something people want anyway". And like walkable neighborhood architecture, extremely few Americans have access to light rail. Let alone light rail that doesn't have to yield to car traffic. Regardless, the cost arguments fall apa…

You seem to be misunderstanding my point. I am a transit alternatives advocate, and have been my entire adult life. I'm NOT saying "people don't want to ride trains." I AM saying "people don't want ride trains that allow 5% of the riders to smoke cigarettes on enclosed train platforms and in enclosed train cars." You might says "what? but that's not happening." In Chicago, yes it is: https://resphealth.org/snuff-out-…

Cosigning all of this as a Chicago resident. Service is somehow both much worse and more expensive after COVID.

Re: The Waymo World Model

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Post by xnx »

madeofpalk wrote: post #574
scoofy wrote: post #318

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Lighting money on fire by funding an extremely expensive system that most people don't want to use is not an "investment." It's just a good way to make everyone much poorer and worse off than if we'd done nothing. The only way to change things is to convince the electorate that we actually do need rules and enforcement and a sustainable transportation system . This isn't just happening in America. Train systems are i…

By various definitions of most people , most people do want to use public transit. It's just that Cars have rotted the American mind so much that to consider anything else is sacrilege.

This is extremely derogatory to people who's opinions you don't agree with.

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

gbnwl wrote: post #668
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #653

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Those are not "real advances in the field", which is why they are constantly abandoned for the next new buzzword. Edit: This just in: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46870514#46929215 The Next Big Thing™ is going to be "context learning", at least if Tencent have their way. And why do we need that? >> Current language models do not handle context this way. They rely primarily on parametric knowledge—information…

I think you might be salty because the words become overused and overhyped, and often 90% of the people jumping on the bandwagon are indeed just parroting the new hot buzzword and don't really understand what they're talking about. But the terms you mentioned are all obviously very real and and very important in applications using LLMs today. Are you arguing that reasoning was vaporware? None of these things were mea…

Excuse me? I'm "salty"? What the hell are you talking about?

Why doesn't this site have a block user button?

Re: The Waymo World Model

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xnx wrote: post #674
scoofy wrote: post #445

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You seem to be misunderstanding my point. I am a transit alternatives advocate, and have been my entire adult life. I'm NOT saying "people don't want to ride trains." I AM saying "people don't want ride trains that allow 5% of the riders to smoke cigarettes on enclosed train platforms and in enclosed train cars." You might says "what? but that's not happening." In Chicago, yes it is: https://resphealth.org/snuff-out-…

Cosigning all of this as a Chicago resident. Service is somehow both much worse and more expensive after COVID.

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Re: The Waymo World Model

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Post by sincerely »

majormajor wrote: post #462
AbstractH24 wrote: post #285

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Google and OpenAI are both taking very big gambles with AI, with an eye towards 2036 not 2026. As are many others, but them in particular. It'll be interesting to see which pays off and which becomes Quibi

Quibi would be if someone came in 10 years from now and said "if we put a lot more money behind spitting out content using characters and settings from Hollywood IP than we'll obviously be way more popular than a tech company can be!"

Quibi also got extremely unlucky in spending a bunch of money to develop media for people to watch on their commutes right before covid lockdowns hit. Wouldn't be surprised if some other company tries to make video for that market again and does well (maybe working with tiktok/shorts native creators)

Re: The Waymo World Model

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Post by wiredpancake »

kube-system wrote: post #594
boredtofears wrote: post #591

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What problem is it even solving? Keeping my car straight so I can be less attentive on the road? I get it in the context of driverless but find it nothing but annoying as a driver.

Lane keep keeps your car in the lane so you can stop paying attention just like cruise control keeps you going the same speed so you can stop paying attention… they don’t. They are just aids that ease fatigue on long trips.

The "fatigue" from long trips is hardly a result of having to keep in a lane.

It's more so the result of being awake, doing effectively nothing, for a long time. Lane Keep assistance is a useless technology for 99% of the population and the 1% who need it, likely shouldn't be driving a car anyways.

The more we "aid" fatigue, the longer drivers will attempt to drive. This cannot be a good outcome. The worst driving occurs when one is practically half asleep.

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