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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Good one. No platform ever should allow CSAM content. And the fact that they didn’t even care and haven’t want to spend money for implementing guardrails or moderation is deeply concerning. This has imho nothing to do with model censorship, but everything with allowing that kind of content on a platform

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There is no content like that on Bluesky nor Mastadon. Show the evidence

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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post #519

Good one. No platform ever should allow CSAM content. And the fact that they didn’t even care and haven’t want to spend money for implementing guardrails or moderation is deeply concerning. This has imho nothing to do with model censorship, but everything with allowing that kind of content on a platform

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Honest question: What does it mean to "raid" the offices of a tech company? It's not like they have file cabinets with paper records. Are they just seizing employee workstations? Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. Not much interesting in an office these days.

Usually they steal all electronic devices.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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> I'd guess they want on-prem servers with things like email and shared storage For a net company in 2026? Fat chance.

Agreed its a stretch, my experience comes from Google when I worked there and they set up a Chinese office and they were very carefully trying to avoid anything on premises that could searched/exploited. It was a huge effort, one that wasn't done for the European and UK offices where the government was not an APT. So did X have the level of hygiene in France? Were there IT guys in the same vein as the folks that Elon…

Part of the prosecution will be to determine who put the content on the server.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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post #519

Good one. No platform ever should allow CSAM content. And the fact that they didn’t even care and haven’t want to spend money for implementing guardrails or moderation is deeply concerning. This has imho nothing to do with model censorship, but everything with allowing that kind of content on a platform

I disagree. Prosecute people that use the tools, not the tool makers if AI generated content is breaking the law. A provider should have no responsibility how the tools are used. It is on users. This is a can of worms that should stay closed, because we all lose freedoms just because of couple of bad actors. AI and tool main job is to obey. We are hurling at "I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that" future with b…

I agree that users who break the law must be prosecuted. But that doesn’t remove responsibility from tool providers when harm is predictable, scalable, and preventable by design.

We already apply this logic elsewhere. Car makers must include seatbelts. Pharma companies must ensure safety. Platforms must moderate illegal content. Responsibility is shared when the risk is systemic.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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There are multiple valid reasons to fight realistic computer-generated CSAM content. Uncontrolled profileration of AI-CSAM makes detection of "genuine" data much harder, prosecution of perpetrators more difficult and specifically in many of the grok cases it harms young victims that were used as templates for the material. Content is unacceptable if its proliferation causes sufficient harm, and this is arguably the c…

> Uncontrolled profileration of AI-CSAM makes detection of "genuine" data much harder

I don't follow. If the prosecutor can't find evidence of a crime and a person is not charged, that is considered harmful? As such the 5th amendment would fall under the same category and so would encryption. Making law enforcement have to work harder to find evidence of a crime cannot be criminalized unless you can come up with a reason why the actions themselves deserve to be criminalized.

> specifically in many of the grok cases it harms young victims that were used as templates for the material.

What is the criteria for this? If something is suitably transformed such that the original model for it is not discernable or identifiable, how can it harm them?

Do not take these as an argument against the idea you are arguing for, but as rebuttals against arguments that are not convincing, or if they were, would be terrible if applied generally.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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> Claim 4/20 is a holiday that he celebrates? Given his recent "far right" bromance that's probably not a good idea ;)

This isn't the 90s. The right doesn't give a shit about weed.

The right didn't give a shit about weed in the 80's or the 90's depending entirely upon who had it.

When Bernhard Hugo Goetz shot four teenagers on an NYC subway in the 80s, his PCP-laced marijuana use and stash back at his apartment came up in both sets of trials in the 80s and later in the 90s.

It was ignored (although not the alleged drug use of the teenagers) as Goetz was dubbed The Subway Vigilante and became a hero to the right.

~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_New_York_City_Subway_shoo...

His victims were upscaled to "super predators".

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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> Also, they are restricted in how they use it, and defendents have rights and due process. As we're seeing with the current US President... the government doesn't (have to) care. In any case, CSAM is the one thing other than Islamist terrorism that will bypass a lot of restrictions on how police are supposed to operate (see e.g. Encrochat, An0m) across virtually all civilized nations. Western nations also will take…

> As we're seeing with the current US President Well, that's particular to the US. It just shows that checks and balances are not properly implemented there, just previous presidents weren't exploiting it maliciously for their own gains.

The USA voted to destroy it's checks and balances consistently for several decades, that is why they don't work now.
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