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Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by Hikikomori »

komali2 wrote: post #648
thiht wrote: post #434

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But the MAGA cult will find yet another explanation that this man magically hurt the 4 ICE agents and they all ended up in a hospital somehow, or that carrying weapons with a permit is unacceptable if you vote democrat

That it's a cult needs to be better recognized by the mainstream in the USA. This podcast gave me more insight than I wanted into the Trump cult being well and truly a cult: https://open.spotify.com/show/3hkMl04iMcdayIhxFbL9WT It's two libbed up people talking with their fully steeped Trumpian parents, trying and failing to find common ground. Horrifyingly the parents recently said they would support Trump even if he…

This isn't really trump anymore. It's all project 2025/federalist society. They're enacting trump's revenge which happens to have some overlap with their own goals. It will likely continue after trump unless the spell is broken and there's a general strike and military coup.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by int_19h »

zahlman wrote: post #262
tastyface wrote: post #239

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"It is not about punishment." I’m not sure how you can possibly make that assertion. They disarmed him and then they shot him.

> They disarmed him and then they shot him. So you're saying you can show me a video where it's clear that the gun is in an LEO's physical possession, everyone involved clearly has time to update on this information, and someone makes an evidently conscious decision to shoot him anyway, despite him clearly no longer posing a physical threat? Really? Because otherwise, it is not about punishment.

These are not the people who deserve benefit of the doubt. They have already amply demonstrated what they are capable of. Indeed, they even openly boast of it.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

defrost wrote: post #577
sleight42 wrote: post #570

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Our own "founding fathers" knew that no system could stop someone determined enough to destroy it from inside. "The dignity and stability of government in all its branches, the morals of the people, and every blessing of society depend so much upon an upright and skillful administration of justice, that the judicial power ought to be distinct from both the legislative and executive, and independent upon both, that so…

Benjamin Franklin literally stated it was "good enough for now" (where "now" == hundreds of years past) despite lacking sufficient checks and balances, and would need constant attendance and amending over time until the likes of the Federalists found themselves a Trump to white ant the US from the inside out. I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government nece…

That speech is bone-chilling. It's so incredibly obvious -- at the risk of going against Franklin's own advice to avoid falling prey to a sense of infallibility -- that the future time he referred to has now come.

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Post by int_19h »

stackbutterflow wrote: post #140
Freedom2 wrote: post #121

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What I've observed is that Americans like to put themselves higher than other cultures due to their second amendment rights (and first, but that's neither here nor there), but when push comes to shove there's actually no real positive outcomes that come from having a country with it's citizens armed to the extent that Americans are.

And we've seen what allowing people to promote hate speech with no restraint does to a nation. When it's over, and it will be, Americans need to start from scratch, iterate and write a new constitution, create new institutions and build a new system.

We've also seen what very rigid hate speech policing does to a nation in Germany... and AfD seems to be doing pretty well.

It's almost as if those laws are mostly just performative bullshit that doesn't actually prevent the spread of violent ideologies when the environment is conductive to them.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by int_19h »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #359
dragontamer wrote: post #63

Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worr…

If the Right does end up defending this, I don't see how they are compatible with the USA that I was taught to believe in my whole life.

Ironically, all the major gun rights orgs have registered disapproval.

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Post by int_19h »

nunez wrote: post #485
thiht wrote: post #434

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But the MAGA cult will find yet another explanation that this man magically hurt the 4 ICE agents and they all ended up in a hospital somehow, or that carrying weapons with a permit is unacceptable if you vote democrat

Actually the folks at /r/conservative are more-or-less agreeing with the left-leaning majority opinion at the moment. https://archive.ph/nYEXh

Meanwhile on AR15.com most comments are along the lines of, "good, they should be shooting more commies".

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Post by CamperBob2 »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #418
CamperBob2 wrote: post #189

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Yeah, somebody should do something about that. Masked men with guns and unlimited immunity aren't good to have around in your community. Oh, wait, you meant the victim .

Por qué no los dos? (To borrow a meme.)

You might as well imagine no religion while you're at it. It's easy if you try... but it's not going to happen.

So we might as well stop arguing that the government should have a monopoly on tools of violence. These people should be afraid of us, and not the other way around.

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Post by int_19h »

nullocator wrote: post #551
TheAlchemist wrote: post #509

Americans, where will you realize that the longer you wait, the worse it will get ? The whole country should be in the streets now. You guys are fast tracking your way into a dictatorship, and unfortunately you may drag the entire Western world with you. The videos from this are numerous and very clear about what happened. And yet, all the officials are telling that a guy is a domestic terrorist and approached ICE of…

The unfortunate truth I think is that no matter how many people might be with this idea of just "rising up" and taking back the country, america is is fucking massive and many cities and towns there is no noticeable ice or border patrol presence. So even if you can get people out and protesting at some common meaningless locations its going to be symbolic at best. If you want out-of-band change in the U.S. it will at…

Street protests are useless because they don't actually hurt. They only work if they can shame the other side, but the other side isn't actually ashamed of what they are doing.

The kind of protest that is needed is the kind that is actually disruptive. Nationwide strikes, for instance.

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Post by int_19h »

sleight42 wrote: post #563
crote wrote: post #461

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> what legal powers does the city/state have to expel ICE agents? What makes you believe ICE is going to follow a judge's orders? They are already routinely violating it when it comes to deporting people. Or, if you want to be even more pessimistic: what makes you believe the current Supreme Court is going to rule based on law, instead of based on political affiliation? The USA's balance of power is horribly broken.…

Regardless of judicial rulings of any sort, who will enforce them? Seemingly all of the enforcement apparatus in the US has been co-opted. The individual state governments aren't meaningfully resisting. Their law enforcement isn't arresting "federal agents" to put them through state legal system. These perps should be jailed and forced to appeal before a judge for a bail hearing, possibly held without bail as they ar…

Truth is, most cops wouldn't confront ICE even if explicitly ordered to do so. The majority of them are supporting all this.
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