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OpenAI's cash burn will be one of the big bubble questions of 2026

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Re: OpenAI's cash burn will be one of the big bubble questions of 2026

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It’s easy to predict that, but when has “the whole thing” ever crashed? Sure, markets can crash, but this idea of “go to zero” never happens. That’s the whole calculus of these investments. Many of them are expected to fail. The fact that it’s painful to the average person means nothing to the people who run the system.

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I don’t really see what’s relevant about crypto nonsense in this context. We are really talking about the overall economy especially in the tech sector.

Even if every cryptocurrency becomes worthless overnight, that doesn’t represent the market going to zero.

I see you’ve edited your comment with more doom and gloom. It’s easy to view everything as a bubble when you’re in a negative mental space.

> a) collapse of the real estate bubble, especially commercial real estate;

Any proof of this bubble? Housing construction continues to lag demand. Offices are largely RTO and Covid-era remote jobs are basically legacy and grandfathered. Every remote employee I know who was laid off in the past couple years had to get a hybrid/in-person job. You can’t just assume 2008 is going to happen again without some real data that shows real estate instability. Where are the poorly qualified borrowers?

> b) the ongoing IT crash that is only just getting started;

That’s one industry of many. One specific industry struggling doesn’t mean much.

> c) whatever damage the (current, red-flavored) orangutan in the White House manages to accomplish in his 3+ remaining years of hell;

Lame duck presidency, he can’t crash shit. Congress will be unfriendly next year and already isn’t even very supportive within his own party.

> d) fear of looming war;

In what universe is any impending war impacting the American economy? You mean the one where defense contractors are hiring and the US is selling weapons to the nations who are doing the fighting?

> e) economic fallout from COVID which is still ongoing and expanding (hint--many destroyed businesses and people out of work);

You are gonna need to explain this one and back this up with some numbers that make sense.

> f) a thousand other icebergs, minefields, and financial hazards confronting us in the near future?

Sounds like internal anxiety demons that are not tangible.

Look, I’m in full agreement that AI will face some kind of correction or crash, but predicting once in a century catastrophe is a losing game.

Re: OpenAI's cash burn will be one of the big bubble questions of 2026

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I don’t really see what’s relevant about crypto nonsense in this context. We are really talking about the overall economy especially in the tech sector. Even if every cryptocurrency becomes worthless overnight, that doesn’t represent the market going to zero. I see you’ve edited your comment with more doom and gloom. It’s easy to view everything as a bubble when you’re in a negative mental space. > a) collapse of the…

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Re: OpenAI's cash burn will be one of the big bubble questions of 2026

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And reddit turned around and sold it all for a mess of pottage…

Sold being the operative word, rather than giving it away for free.

Well, it is available for free either way. They pissed off their user base all for a horse that had already left the stable.

https://academictorrents.com/details/2d056b22743718ac81915f2...

Re: OpenAI's cash burn will be one of the big bubble questions of 2026

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There is a pretty big moat for Google: extreme amounts of video data on their existing services and absolutely no dependence on Nvidia and it's 90% margin.

Agreed. Even xAI's (Grok's) access to live data on x.com and millions of live video inputs from Tesla is a moat not enjoyed by OpenAI.

That live data for X is mostly gonna consist of brainrot and egotistical founders and rising vibe coders, that data has to be worth so much less than something like Reddit.

Re: OpenAI's cash burn will be one of the big bubble questions of 2026

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Sold being the operative word, rather than giving it away for free.

Well, it is available for free either way. They pissed off their user base all for a horse that had already left the stable. https://academictorrents.com/details/2d056b22743718ac81915f2...

Look at their stock price. They are doing very well since IPO, and much of it was revenue from selling their data.

Re: OpenAI's cash burn will be one of the big bubble questions of 2026

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> OpenAI says they're very profitable on inference. Great, but they need to burn billions on advertising, freemeium, and mostly R&D for new models.

So do all their competitors.

Google and Microsoft have immense money printing machines. They can lose many billions of dollars for years and be fine as a business. OpenAI, not so much.

Re: OpenAI's cash burn will be one of the big bubble questions of 2026

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I don’t really see what’s relevant about crypto nonsense in this context. We are really talking about the overall economy especially in the tech sector. Even if every cryptocurrency becomes worthless overnight, that doesn’t represent the market going to zero. I see you’ve edited your comment with more doom and gloom. It’s easy to view everything as a bubble when you’re in a negative mental space. > a) collapse of the…

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Re: OpenAI's cash burn will be one of the big bubble questions of 2026

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>I know this is the latest catastrophizion meme for AI companies, but what is it even supposed to mean? Someone else put it succintly. "When A million dollar company fails, it's their problem. When a billion dollar company fails, it's our problem" In essence, there's so much investment in AI that it's a significant part of the US GDP. If AI falters, that is something that the entire stock market will feel, and by eff…

OpenAI isn't a publicly-traded company though, how will it going to zero affect the stock market?

Multiple publicly traded companies, including Microsoft, have invested significant amounts of money in OpenAI.

Re: OpenAI's cash burn will be one of the big bubble questions of 2026

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Well, it is available for free either way. They pissed off their user base all for a horse that had already left the stable. https://academictorrents.com/details/2d056b22743718ac81915f2...

Look at their stock price. They are doing very well since IPO, and much of it was revenue from selling their data.

Google's $60m/yr is the only thing keeping them profitable.

Mozilla's business model isn't really something to emulate, even if the stock market doesn't really see it that way.

Re: OpenAI's cash burn will be one of the big bubble questions of 2026

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Look at their stock price. They are doing very well since IPO, and much of it was revenue from selling their data.

Google's $60m/yr is the only thing keeping them profitable. Mozilla's business model isn't really something to emulate, even if the stock market doesn't really see it that way.

Not really. Lots of companies have valuable data they sell and have been in business for decades just fine. It's even better for reddit because it's user generated so they don't even have to do anything. The users who left during the API debacle are not the vast majority of users which are generally casual and do not give a single shit about what happened, much as tech people like to think otherwise.
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