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Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by glenstein »

homebrewer wrote: post #611
glenstein wrote: post #557

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Or for a similar point, it's been shown over and over that attempting to crowdsource the revenue is a staggeringly unrealistic response with no real world precedent in the history either of browsers or online crowdsourced funding. You would think that would matter to people who point to that as a possible panacea. Actual attempts to get users to pay for the browser itself, like what Opera did, simply didn't work and…

You might want to look up Thunderbird crowd funding over the past couple of years. Spoiler: it's been very successful.

Check Firefox's annual budget compared to Thunderbird's annual budget and get back to me.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by pseudalopex »

eudamoniac wrote: post #660
DonHopkins wrote: post #652

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>It's your own fault you lost this argument because you decided to attempt such a pathetically transparent lie, and you can't back-pedal enough to make up for that. Face it, you're just a dishonest bigot on the wrong side of history, still salty that gay marriage is finally legal, impotent to do anything about it besides being a lying keyboard warrior troll. >I hope for your own family's sake that your own straight m…

Send it to hn@ycombinator.com.[1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by EbNar »

tokai wrote: post #251
throwfaraway135 wrote: post #228

Mozilla needs some of that Brave and Opera energy. They have their issues too, but at least they try not to be just a worse chrome.

>that Brave and Opera energy Closed source adware and crypto scams?!

Can you please tell me how a purely opt-in feature is a scam? I'm all ears.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by blubber »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #658
throwaway613745 wrote: post #300

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I have used Firefox as my default browser through thick and thin for damn near two decades. If Mozilla killed andblocking extensions I’d switch to Helium Browser in a heartbeat since they’re maintaining manifest v2 support for uBO and even ship it OOTB. The web is unusable without a proper Adblock.

"The web is unusable without a proper Adblock" Unusable for the commenter perhaps, based on his choices, but not unusable in an absolute sense For example, I have been using the web without an adblock for several decades.^1 I see no ads Adblocking is only necessary when one uses a popular graphical web browser When I use an HTTP generator and a TCP client then no "adblock" is necessary When I use a text-only browser…

"When I use a text-only browser then no "adblock" is necessary"

So you browser as if it were 1999? Yup, no ads back then.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by DonHopkins »

eudamoniac wrote: post #660
DonHopkins wrote: post #652

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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>It's your own fault you lost this argument because you decided to attempt such a pathetically transparent lie, and you can't back-pedal enough to make up for that. Face it, you're just a dishonest bigot on the wrong side of history, still salty that gay marriage is finally legal, impotent to do anything about it besides being a lying keyboard warrior troll. >I hope for your own family's sake that your own straight m…

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Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by deepspace »

throwaway613745 wrote: post #300
JoeJonathan wrote: post #226

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Like many others, the ability to run uBO is the main reason I use Firefox. Otherwise I'd use Chrome or Safari.

I have used Firefox as my default browser through thick and thin for damn near two decades. If Mozilla killed andblocking extensions I’d switch to Helium Browser in a heartbeat since they’re maintaining manifest v2 support for uBO and even ship it OOTB. The web is unusable without a proper Adblock.

The one and only time I ever got a machine infected with malware in my 30+ years of using the internet was when I fell for Forbes.com's request to please disable my adblocker. I promptly got hit by a trojan carried in one of their unvetted ads. Browsing without an adblocker is a critical security issue, and I will drop Firefox without a second thought if they ever cripple blockers like Google did.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by glenstein »

throwaway613745 wrote: post #655
glenstein wrote: post #503

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>If Mozilla killed andblocking extensions Yeah but they haven't and they're not going to, so what's the point of fantasizing about what you would do in that situation? It's like tough guy syndrome, where a person constantly fantasizes about what they would do in the imaginary situation where one of their friends or family is disrespected, or doomsday preppers who spend their life imagining what they would do in an ap…

Constantly Fantasizing? I was responding to a hypothetical based on interpretations of real statements made by the new CEO. It's a public forum for discussion. Firefox is something that is central and essential to my digital life. I think the only person fantasizing here is you, about what random strangers on discussion forums do all day when not responding directly to topics at hand.

You literally just agreed that you did the thing I'm describing and then insisted I was fantasizing. And you're right, it's a public forum for discussion, hence my criticism of attempting to hold Mozilla accountable for a fictional hypothetical that they explicitly said they're not doing.

I'm all for fanfiction, but as I noted before, it seems that these days archiveofourown.com is where people publish that stuff, not Hacker News. It's easy to sign up and if your fiction is creative people will give you positive reviews. But you might need to spice it up by implying a conspiracy to cooperate with Google or something.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by danaris »

array_key_first wrote: post #628
rsync wrote: post #622

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… which is a positive, right?

Maybe, maybe not. It's getting dangerously close to the modern day IE, where some websites just don't work right and everyone has to do arcane shit to make their websites cross platform. It's also a closed source browser developed by Apple. It's not competing with Firefox. Everyone contemplating switching to safari over Firefox are not being honest - they're not even on the same playing field.

The only way you can possibly view Safari as "the modern day IE" is if you consider the authoritative source for What Features Should Be Supported to be Chrome.

You should probably think about that for a bit, in light of why IE was IE back in the day.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by [deleted] »

graeme wrote: post #599
pavel_lishin wrote: post #468

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I don't know, if the CEO of some software I used suddenly came out as anti-miscegenation, and started donating money to the cause, I'd stop using the software until the CEO was fired too.

Where this analogy breaks is that at the time (2008), Eich's position had majority support in the US. The proposition he wad funding passed with majority support. Mixed marriages by contrast had overwhelming support in 2008. Eich didn't suddenly come out against anything in 2014. People dug up his prior funding. Demanding permanent ostracization for supporting a majority position is fairly anti-democratic. You can be…

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