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What are you guys talking about? I have a Pixel 8, didn't install Lineage OS on it, and my power button works fine?
Some phones with the lastest android, when you press the power button instead of showing you the power options, it opens google assistant.
I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla
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Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla
#672Does anyone want AI in anything? I can see the value of navigating to an LLM and asking specific questions, but generally speaking I don't want that just running / waiting on my machine as I open a variety of applications. It's a huge waste of resources and for most normal people is an edge case.
Yes and no and this is the problem with the current marketing around AI. I very much do want what used to be just called ML that was invisible and actually beneficial. Autocorrect, smart touch screen keyboards, music recommendations, etc. But the problem is that all of that stuff is now also just being called "AI" left and right. That being said I think what most people think of when they say "AI" is really not as be…
What I definitively don't want, yet it's what is currently happening, is a chatbot crammed into every single app and then shoved down your throat.
Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla
#673Does anyone want AI in anything? I can see the value of navigating to an LLM and asking specific questions, but generally speaking I don't want that just running / waiting on my machine as I open a variety of applications. It's a huge waste of resources and for most normal people is an edge case.
a sandboxed LLM ad block or filter could be handy, for instance
Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla
#674Does anyone want AI in anything? I can see the value of navigating to an LLM and asking specific questions, but generally speaking I don't want that just running / waiting on my machine as I open a variety of applications. It's a huge waste of resources and for most normal people is an edge case.
Absolutely. I want a browser with AI -- just not the browser Mozilla wants to build. I want my browser to use AI-based adblocking and content filtering. I want my AI browser to notice when the site sends some stupid sticky high Z-index thing down the pipe and just quietly not show it to me at all. I want my AI browser to automatically detect cookie dialogs and click "Reject All" and if that option isn't available, I want it to parse the "Cookie Preferences" page and click all the buttons that equate to "Reject All".
I want an AI layer in my phone that spoofs my location and my contacts so that apps that insist on seeing those things see fake data that nevertheless looks plausible.
Best of all, I want the AI agents in my browser and my phone to do their work without leaving any trace of their activities so that the server on the other end cannot tell that I even have an AI agent at all.
Most of the above is possible now but it requires a plethora of different tools that are not cleanly integrated. And no VC is going to pay you to build such an integrated tool because it would not create a continuing revenue stream or a continuing stream of harvestable data compromising the user's privacy.
We are a very fucked-up industry.
Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla
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Depends; in the EU and selected countries that setting was always opt-in (i.e. it was never enabled for you). Elsewhere I guess the user has to periodically check their settings, or privacy policies, etc, which in practice sounds impossible. > Important: By default, smart feature settings are off if you live in: The European Economic Area, Japan, Switzerland, United Kingdom (same source as in grandparent comment).
Then no, I can't use a google product without being harassed, unless I live in a limited selection of blessed countries.
Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla
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You didn't even read 6 sentences into TFA. 52/52 of the closed-beta testers of this feature want it removed.
that doesn't matter, grandma isn't a beta tester. I can tell you first-hand a lot of people are installing these ai browsers, even in enterprise environments. You get ahead of it or get left behind.
Grandma doesn't know what a gosh darn fire fox is, and probably doesn't even know what a web browser is, either. And she most definitely doesn't know what an "AI browser" is.
If this is their target audience, they are guaranteed to lose to the "defaults" aka Chrome and Edge.
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They can add features that help with browsing. E.g. they can steal the workspaces idea from Vivaldi. Or the side by side split window idea which is great for comparisons. Or adding a light weight mode which is somewhere between full fledged and text reader modes. There are so many improvements that can make the browsing experience significantly better. I wish they picked at least some of these things instead of stuff…
They can steal Workspaces from Vivaldi. Or they can steal vertical tabs from Vivaldi. Or they can steal the built-in RSS client form Vivaldi. Or they can steal the ability to save sessions from Vivaldi. Or they can steal the built-in notes from Vivaldi. Or they can steal the tab stacking from Vivaldi. Or they can steal the profile switching from Vivaldi. Honest question. What could Vivaldi "steal" from Firefox?
Firefox already has vertical tabs and they work great.
> Or they can steal the profile switching from Vivaldi.
I'm pretty sure that Firefox has profile switching in some capacity, although I don't personally use it and can't vouch for it.
As for the rest of these, I agree completely. Firefox has too many wacky AI experiments and not enough normal browser features.
Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla
#679Nobody wants anything from Mozilla except Firefox/Thunderbird to be high-performance alternatives to Chrome/Outlook with fewer restrictions on extensions. That’s it. The rest is just activism and kids playing in a sandbox with non-profit money to pad out their resume with whatever topical keywords might land them their next gig.
I recently switched to Firefox to continue using uBlock, and was honestly shocked to find out that it actually has more restrictions in terms of where you're allowed to install extensions from.
You literally cannot install extensions that are not signed by Mozilla at all unless you use a different beta version of Firefox.
Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla
#680Firefox somehow fell into the hole of feature-pack in an effort to save itself. Firefox instead desperately needs to focus on making it a high performance browser that people enjoy using for..... browsing . They can start with fixing the spell check, which is hilariously awful for 2008. And we are in 2025. Signed, a 20 year user.
I wish they rely more on OS features, like the built-in, system-wide spell check. I know it's a bigger task for them, since Firefox runs on multiple OSes, but maybe it's worth it. It dreads me how “un-macOS” Firefox feels, and I guess this feeling extends to Windows, Linux and elsewhere.