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Re: iPhone Air

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Post by mrits »

CephalopodMD wrote: post #581
nakamoto_damacy wrote: post #465

I have an iPhone 13 mini, just replaced the battery. If you want my money, give me an iPhone 17 mini with small width and height, I don't care about it being thinner like the Air. Also, no AI ruining the image quality of the expensive camera. I saw examples of a consumer-grade digital camera vs an iPhone 16 and the latter introduced "hotdog skin" effect and other effects that made the photos look over-processed.

Also still rocking a 13 mini. There are dozens of us! Dozens! (Also to those who say not enough people wanted a mini phone to be worth producing: I submit the case of Prego chunky pasta sauce. Not many people want a chunky pasta sauce, but you sell a whole lot more pasta sauce in total if you sell both regular and chunky pasta sauce. Malcolm Gladwell has a TED talk about this.)

just gave up mine last month.

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by navigate8310 »

sbinnee wrote: post #657

They introduced N1 network chip. I noticed "thread" technology along with wifi and bluetooth. Tbh, it's first time I heard of this tech. Could anyone enlighten me what this "thread" wireless technology is and its impact?

What is Thread? https://www.theverge.com/23165855/thread-smart-home-protocol...

What is Matter over Thread? https://www.theverge.com/22832127/matter-smart-home-products...

How to set up Matter over Thread? https://www.theverge.com/23823041/matter-thread-device-setup...

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by akutlay »

bapak wrote: post #660
rifty wrote: post #651

The 16e is 167 grams, where the Air is 165 grams. It feels like the Air is to the 16e what the Pro is to the standard titled iPhone — the expensive version. Which makes the marketing feel a bit incongruent with what we've gotten here. It's not noticeably more lightweight than what is currently offered, it's less featureful than the 17, but more expensive than the 17 (albeit perhaps prettier). It seems like engineerin…

You fail to mention that the 17 and 16e don't only differ by weight. Miniaturization is costly.

Yes but the name “Air” claims lightweight, not thin

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by cde-v »

CephalopodMD wrote: post #581
nakamoto_damacy wrote: post #465

I have an iPhone 13 mini, just replaced the battery. If you want my money, give me an iPhone 17 mini with small width and height, I don't care about it being thinner like the Air. Also, no AI ruining the image quality of the expensive camera. I saw examples of a consumer-grade digital camera vs an iPhone 16 and the latter introduced "hotdog skin" effect and other effects that made the photos look over-processed.

Also still rocking a 13 mini. There are dozens of us! Dozens! (Also to those who say not enough people wanted a mini phone to be worth producing: I submit the case of Prego chunky pasta sauce. Not many people want a chunky pasta sauce, but you sell a whole lot more pasta sauce in total if you sell both regular and chunky pasta sauce. Malcolm Gladwell has a TED talk about this.)

I kept seeing people mention the 13 mini but I always thought the 12 mini was the last mini. Just looked it up and I see why now, seems like the 13 mini is barely different from the 12 mini.

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by jordansmithnz »

I think the Air makes a lot more sense through the lens of a foldable iPhone.

Even for Apple, there are a significant amount of challenges in building a best-in-class foldable. Supply chain, manufacturing, hardware design, software. Apple is well known for planning ahead; breaking down problems by tackling some in an Air model first seems in line with how they operate.

The price difference really drives this home. It’s only $100 difference between a Pro and an Air. By the time you buy the perhaps-essential battery pack it’s the same price.

I don’t expect this model to continue more than a year or two, it’s a niche option only there to set the stage for a foldable that will take its place.

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by jameshart »

AdventureMouse wrote: post #582
aurareturn wrote: post #58

It has A19 Pro. A19 Pro has matmul acceleration in its GPU, the equivalent of Nvidia's Tensor cores. This would make future Macs extremely viable for local LLMs. Currently, Macs have high memory bandwidth and high VRAM capacity but low prompt processing speeds. Give it a large context and it'll take forever before the first token is generated. If the M5 generation gets this GPU upgrade, which I don't see why not, the…

> If the M5 generation gets this GPU upgrade, which I don't see why not, then the era of viable local LLM inferencing is upon us. I don't think local LLMs will ever be a thing except for very specific use cases. Servers will always have way more compute power than edge nodes. As server power increases, people will expect more and more of the LLMs and edge node compute will stay irrelevant since their relative power w…

> Servers will always have way more compute power than edge nodes

This doesn't seem right to me.

You take all the memory and CPU cycles of all the clients connected to a typical online service, compared to the memory and CPU in the datacenter serving it? The vast majority of compute involved in delivering that experience is on the client. And there's probably vast amounts of untapped compute available on that client - most websites only peg the client CPU by accident because they triggered an infinite loop in an ad bidding war; imagine what they could do if they actually used that compute power on purpose.

But even doing fairly trivial stuff, a typical browser tab is using hundreds of megs of memory and an appreciable percentage of the CPU of the machine it's loaded on, for the duration of the time it's being interacted with. Meanwhile, serving that content out to the browser took milliseconds, and was done at the same time as the server was handling thousands of other requests.

Edge compute scales with the amount of users who are using your service: each of them brings along their own hardware. Server compute has to scale at your expense.

Now, LLMs bring their special needs - large models that need to be loaded into vast fast memory... there are reasons to bring the compute to the model. But it's definitely not trivially the case that there's more compute in servers than clients.

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by jayd16 »

nakamoto_damacy wrote: post #465

I have an iPhone 13 mini, just replaced the battery. If you want my money, give me an iPhone 17 mini with small width and height, I don't care about it being thinner like the Air. Also, no AI ruining the image quality of the expensive camera. I saw examples of a consumer-grade digital camera vs an iPhone 16 and the latter introduced "hotdog skin" effect and other effects that made the photos look over-processed.

What is hotdog skin?

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by nakamoto_damacy »

jayd16 wrote: post #678
nakamoto_damacy wrote: post #465

I have an iPhone 13 mini, just replaced the battery. If you want my money, give me an iPhone 17 mini with small width and height, I don't care about it being thinner like the Air. Also, no AI ruining the image quality of the expensive camera. I saw examples of a consumer-grade digital camera vs an iPhone 16 and the latter introduced "hotdog skin" effect and other effects that made the photos look over-processed.

What is hotdog skin?

Search for "hotdog" (ctrl-f or cmd-f) in this page: https://candid9.com/phone-camera/

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by thund »

Around 2000-2005 there was a race for the smallest phone with ludicrously small displays. I believe Nokia was kind of leading and “winning” the race. Then blackberry and iPhone reversed trajectory and suddenly bigger was better, and Nokia died out.

I think we are on the same path here, thinner is not what I want. I want a powerhouse that can run AI for at least 48 hours on the worst conditions, a week at least in an ideal scenario.

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