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New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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Post by jtbayly »

Izikiel43 wrote: post #487
jtbayly wrote: post #407

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You have demonstrated the point of the policy. What is it that is being incentivized here? Leaving your children and working all day.

> What is it that is being incentivized here? Getting all children early education, which has been shown to have huge effects later on in academic performance (better) and criminality (less). Let's say college is optional for the individual, as the child/teen decides. Why is primary/middle/secondary school free and public, but daycare/preschool not? The child can't decide for itself, and there is data showing that ha…

Does this provide education or care? Being in childcare in and of itself is not correlated with better outcomes. Only high-quality care produces such results, and greater hours in non-family-member childcare results in long-term negative outcomes in for example impulsivity and risk-taking, regardless of the quality of the care.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2938040/

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Post by pempem »

jtbayly wrote: post #667
pempem wrote: post #450

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No. Are men "leaving their children and working all day"? Should we not pay them to stay home? This view is either fully gendered or assumes that all families are made up of two people and one person's wages should support a family. Neither are the conversation on this table. The conversation on this table is: Our current economy, in nearly every state and for every metro requires more than minimum wage to rent not o…

Sorry if I wasn’t clear initially. The point is that women should not stay home. Yes, this is “fully gendered” because reality is fully gendered. Far and away the majority of childcare is performed by women. Always has been. Always will be. The emphasis on jobs over children as where we want women’s energy, time, and attention to go is what is being demonstrated by this policy. We will pay you to leave your children…

"We want women's energy and time" seems to indicate "not women" want women's energy in time.

If you will not pay "women" to take care of "their children" rather than, say..."the future of society" or "our children" then women will not have a child.

And that is exactly what you're seeing happen. Women worked in all times. Every single time period you can think of. Population is dropping because

a/ we have rights as women and are outstripping men on every measurable term within just a couple generations of access

b/men are not stepping up to create something more equitable

Men have been offered the chance to step up and change the current (and yes its current, not a "natural state" of affairs) dynamic.

The idea that you're striking on is defining my life for me and quite frankly, with your benefit in first position.

That's not going to work.

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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Post by alchemical_piss »

resters wrote: post #604
ciconia wrote: post #504

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Chances are you'll soon see something like "Trump threatens nuclear war against communist New Mexico".

It's off topic to mention this, but I've become convinced that the richest among us really don't care about improving the systems and institutions that would really elevate humanity and unlock tremendous human capital.

Why would they? They’re wealthy enough to weather nearly anything. They do lack total power though, which is why you see Silicon Valley flirting with Yarvin.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

petcat wrote: post #40
bertili wrote: post #22

It baffles me (as European) that any politician, or informed voter, would stand up for non free child healthcare. Let alone the moral aspect of denying a child healthcare because she happen to be born into a low income family, it can’t possibly be economically advantageous for any society to ignore child healthy issues and it’s future.

This is not child healthcare. That is already free in every US state. This is free babysitting. The vast majority of the EU does not offer anything close to free universal early childhood care like this. None of Western Europe. I can think of only Latvia and Romania off the top of my head.

> This is not child healthcare. That is already free in every US state.

Whaaat?

I have 2 kids and I can assure you healthcare is far from free unless you are low income; cutoff varies by state but it's not high -- around $80K/year household income[0], which is pretty middle-class. We're not at all wealthy, but a few years ago we started making more than threshold for our state's Medicaid/CHIP program, and we now spend >10K a year for our kids' healthcare (granted we have a child with a disability so he's the bulk of that).

[0] https://www.insurekidsnow.gov/coverage

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Post by [deleted] »

alchemical_piss wrote: post #669
qgin wrote: post #643

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We're likely 5-10 years out from a world where tappy-tap computer keyboard jobs are in a death spiral and caregiving jobs are one of the only fields untouched by automation.

Enjoy living on $14/h for the rest of your life.

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Post by em-bee »

MandieD wrote: post #651
declan_roberts wrote: post #122

I'm going to take the reverse position. I don't like this policy. I think it would be much better to provide a one year paid stipend so that a parent can be home with the children during their tender years. This entire structure is set up to keep the boss happy while a stranger raises your child during their most formative and vulnerable years.

We kind of do both in Germany. I say "kind of" becaue that year of parental leave (14 months total, shared between parents as desired) is capped at the lower of 1800 EUR/mo, or 2/3 of previous year's net monthly salary - that was significantly lower than either of our net pay, but we did it anyway. And once the little guy was a year old, daycare for not quite enough hours to work full time (7am - 4pm) was a mere 500…

strong protections for parents choosing to work part time

how long ago was that? i thought i read that the right to work part time is now universal, that is after some time in a job you can just request it, and it can't be denied, unless there are some special circumstances (and i think small companies are exempt too), children or not.

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Post by yardstick »

declan_roberts wrote: post #311
yardstick wrote: post #182

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Kids are social and like playing and learning from other kids. Daycare lets them do just that. It’s a great thing and every toddler I’ve met who wasn’t in daycare was behind in something. Especially verbal skills. Plus daycare allows women to continue their career progression. It’s soo important. Not every woman wants to end their career as a mother to a young kid. Daycare enables successful women to thrive and still…

"Why do you want a thriving career?" "So I can provide for my family" "Why do you want to provide for your family?" "So my children can have happy and fulfilling lives" "What makes your young children feel happy?" "Spending time with me" A strong parent-child relationship is the biggest determination of life-long child happiness even into old age. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4784487/

You can have a strong parent-child relationship while still using daycare.

Also people work due to other reasons unrelated to providing for their family. Individuals are allowed to have lives outside their kids.

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Post by stickfigure »

jtbayly wrote: post #668
stickfigure wrote: post #522

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As long as population holds constant, it doesn't matter who does/doesn't have kids. Some people have more, some people have fewer, some people immigrate. It all works out in the end. Childless people pay into the system like everyone else. They aren't freeloaders. As a parent myself I find this kind of savior complex incredibly embarrassing. We have kids, great. I'm glad our government offers tax benefits, services,…

Why do you expect the population to hold constant? That unsupported assumption is what you base everything on. Furthermore, if the population stays the same but ages , there will be major ramifications to SS. Furthermore, if the population remains constant but fewer and fewer people have children, then those who do have children bear more and more of the burden of providing for everybody else’s retirement. Responding…

The US keeps makes up for its reproduction rate with immigration. It ends up being roughly constant.

Nobody is economically disadvantaging people with kids. The question at hand is how much we as a society are choosing to advantage them with tax benefits and social services. Including free education! Having kids is pretty great.

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

savagej wrote: post #447
afavour wrote: post #207

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As a parent I’m going to disagree with your disagreement. I was lucky enough to get months of parental leave initially. I am glad I got it but at the same time I don't buy the tender, formative, vulnerable stuff too deeply. They're poop and vomit machines that nap and have very, very little interaction with the world around them. The primary benefit was for me to not have to work while deeply sleep deprived. As my fi…

You're an idiot. I have a toddler. They are absorbing everything and gaining a personality from day one. You are not the one doing it.

> You're an idiot.

Really? You're starting your comment with that?

EDIT: my mistake, it's a troll account with negative karma.

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Post by [deleted] »

ryandrake wrote: post #336
mothballed wrote: post #16

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Would make sense IMO to provide an equal value waiver to those who take care of their kid rather than send them to childcare. Stay at home moms do not provide a less valuable service than childcare providers. This policy appears to disincentives children staying with their mother even when it is preferred.

I just don't understand this mentality. My wife is a stay-at-home mom. We are lucky that we can afford to do this. Most of our kid's friends have both parents working and they pay for child care. If suddenly they were able to have that childcare paid for, that would be wonderful! It doesn't affect our situation at all. Why would we oppose it? I don't need to have my own "waiver" payment in order for me to be in favor…

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