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The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by tavavex »

braiamp wrote: post #562
cooper_ganglia wrote: post #239

Obama withdrew all US funds from UNESCO in 2011 as well, due to Palestine being admitted in. This isn't anything particularly noteworthy, just more capitulating to Israel, which is annoying.

"In 2011, the United States stopped funding Unesco because of what was then a forgotten, 15-year-old amendment mandating a complete cutoff of American financing to any United Nations agency that accepts Palestine as a full member. Various efforts by President Barack Obama to overturn the legal restriction narrowly failed in Congress, and the United States lost its vote at the organization after two years of nonpaymen…

> 15-year-old amendment mandating a complete cutoff of American financing to any United Nations agency that accepts Palestine as a full member

As a non-American, doesn't this seem a little ridiculous to some people in the US? This screams of a kind of melodramatic, overdone theatrics that the US doesn't seem to do to anyone else. I get that the US has a lot of Israeli money/investments/customers and extremely religious people, but even then, why is it going this far to enshrine their relations to specific states in their laws? It ends up coming off as the US bowing on their knees to relatively minor nations on the other side of the world.

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Post by Workaccount2 »

Sparkle-san wrote: post #550
Workaccount2 wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The democrats losing support of hispanics, blacks, and men under 50 in the 2024 election is directly a function of the culture war. If you insist on using the term "Latinx" and every Latino tells you that you are a self righteous idiot, listen to them . If you run the slogan "defund the police" despite inner city populations being the most in favor of police funding, listen to them . If you push the phrase "toxic mas…

Having met several of them, the people who use terms like latinx, toxic masculinity, and defund the police aren't even democrats and hold almost as much antipathy towards them as they do towards republicans. The polls speak for themselves. Why would hispanics suddenly be turning on Trump? Is he now pushing latinx himself or is he actually not good at the things he claimed he was gonna be good at? Polling on the issue…

>Having met several of them, the people who use terms like latinx, toxic masculinity, and defund the police aren't even democrats and hold almost as much antipathy towards them as they do towards republicans.

Yes, and the Democrats throw away elections trying to cater to these people because the media dramatically overstates their relevance.

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Post by landl0rd »

zipy124 wrote: post #567
landl0rd wrote: post #432

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The CCP has been lobbying the World Heritage Evaluation Committee for a long time now to increase its number of sites. This directly promote’s china’s false narrative of “5,000 years continuous civilization” with attached mythos (despite much of the early evidence coming from the mythical Shiji, china simply blackmails academics into silence with source access and mainland collaboration to maintain a monopoly on her…

These are literally within its remit. It's the "Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation". All of these issues are educational, scientific or cultural. And even so comparing research around gender with the indisputable fact of climate change is a rather twisted way of reasoning.

I didn't say out of its remit, I said outside its original scope. The plain fact is these programs are newer and I don't believe in funding them.

UNESCO was previously a body that did some social justice stuff and a bunch of heritage work. Now it's a body that does a lot of social justice stuff and heritage work hijacked by chinese agitprop. The case for withdrawing previously was decent but these days it's pretty clear.

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Post by tguvot »

themgt wrote: post #657
tguvot wrote: post #627

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it's not that it's hard to leave gaza. it's just nobody willing to accept gazans. and trumps plan that talks about voluntary migration out of gaza is been described as genocide and ethnic cleansing (btw, 75% of them actually registered as refugees by unrwa for past many decades) i never saw anybody been against migration of population out of war zone to safety. in case of ukrainian refugees it was widely discussed th…

i never saw anybody been against migration of population out of war zone to safety. I can't think of any comparable historical example of declaring a people's entire territory a war zone and migrating a substantial/majority of the entire population out. Can you? The reality is they'd be unlikely to ever be able/allowed to return, and as such the actual purpose of such a project would be ethnically cleansing the terri…

entire territory is a war zone. there is no need to declare anything

and you essentially you prefer population to suffer hardships of war in order to "safekeep" territory and "prevent ethnic cleansing".

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Post by psychoslave »

Aurornis wrote: post #204
lvl155 wrote: post #40

And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

It took me a long time to realize that most people don’t make any effort to understand politics beyond surface level headlines. A lot of people treat politics like they behave in the HN comment section: They see the headline, arrive at a conclusion based on previous assumptions, and head straight to the comment section to argue their side without ever even making an effort to read the article. With politics, politici…

Why should we expect otherwise, what land on hn is already crafted title as well after all, and once human are accustomized to some habits, they will have generally a hard time going out of routine.

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Post by formerly_proven »

dijit wrote: post #548
formerly_proven wrote: post #541

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AFP is like the third biggest news agency on this planet and you're linking to bothsides.bad?!

AFP is previously unknown to me, and yes I did because its actually reinforcing the parents point about being a reliable source. Maybe read before commenting, or perhaps allow people to be ignorant and admit that openly; jumping down my throat because I don’t already know your favourite news outlet solves what exactly? (also don’t think I don’t see the irony of your bio being: “I usually don't know what I'm talking a…

I wasn't trying to jump down your throat for not knowing AFP, I just thought it was a somewhat funny-absurdist situation to have a major news agency ranked for reliability by some website with a name that's basically a maga dogwhistle (not saying it is affiliated, as it predates maga). I can see that my phrasing was quite bad.

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Post by sys32768 »

According to the UN, genocide:

>...means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group....

Besides Iceland, all UN member nations have a history of land acquisition through force, colonization, or dispossession. By their own definition, they're all guilty of genocide "in part" at some point in their histories, with several in the last 50 or 100 years.

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Post by lawlessone »

rgblambda wrote: post #647
rs186 wrote: post #394

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Makes me wonder if officials at UNESCO even cares about the decision. "Oh that again?" Probably already used to this.

Similar to the Israeli ambassador being recalled from Dublin. They mean it as a big dramatic statement but they've done it that many times it's lost all significance. She only gets reinstated again for the purpose of making another dramatic exit.

They always send their most incompetent ambassadors to Dublin, ones that put their foot in their own mouth.

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Post by BirAdam »

turtlesdown11 wrote: post #419
BirAdam wrote: post #357

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Peace and prosperity since WWII? I suppose that Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Myanmar, Sudan, Somalia, Pakistan/India/China, Georgia, Bosnia/Herzegovina, and so on just never happened? Not doubting that war is on the horizon, but the USA is addicted to war, and many other nations had their own issues independently of the USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Peace > The "Long Peace" is a term for the unprecedented historical period of relative global stability following the end of World War II in 1945 to the present day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%80%93World_War_II_econ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_globalization I hope you learn something today.

This is an outrageously euro/america-centric world view. A war isn't "minor" if you're murdered in it. The Second Congo War alone killed nearly 5 million, the Soviet Afghan War killed nearly 3 million, Bangladesh nearly 3 million, Ethiopia/Eritrea 2 million, who knows how many in Ukraine and Gaza. While no one war approaches the loss of life in WW2, these are far from minor skirmishes.

I struggle to consider Syria, Myanmar, Somalia, or Sudan minor conflicts. Likewise, what is the measure of stability here considering the rate of civil wars and country creation?

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