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Post by philwelch »

dragonwriter wrote: post #296
billfor wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

George Bush called up the National Guard and the Marines in 1992 for the Rodney King riots. At least 4000....

> George Bush called up the National Guard and the Marines in 1992 for the Rodney King riots. Governor Wilson called up the National Guard, actually; subsequently, at Governor Wilson's request , and coordinating planning with both the Governor and Mayor Bradley of LA, President Bush invoked the Insurrection Act, federalized the Guard, and called up the Marines, and deployed the federal and federalized forces (includi…

Yes this is more like the 1957 incident in Little Rock, Arkansas where the state governor was impeding federal law, forcing President Eisenhower to federalize the Arkansas National Guard and deploy the 101st Airborne to restore order and enforce federal law.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by ETH_start »

lemoncookiechip wrote: post #497
Larrikin wrote: post #224

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

Because this isn't about that. This is about having a perceived enemy that only you can fight. If it wasn't immigrants (legal or illegal), it would be a different group, within or outside of your borders. It's fascism 101.

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Larrikin wrote: post #224

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

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Post by aaronbaugher »

i_love_retros wrote: post #647

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You could try to convince Democrats (and their establishment GOP pals) to stop flooding the country with illegals and taking their side against Americans even when they riot under foreign flags. That would suck the air right out of the Republicans' #1 issue that's gaining them votes.

Good luck with that.

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Post by noworriesnate »

e40 wrote: post #611
bufferoverflow wrote: post #472

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You are naive to think police can’t turn a peaceful protest into a TV photo op for Fox News. And, it’s also naive to think that all the protesters are on the same side. Instigators are from either no side and the other side. During the George Floyd protests I was walking home and witnessed agitators turn a peaceful protest violent within minutes. There were at most 10 of them out of a crowd of 500. When I got home, t…

It’s a major vulnerability, but I think a valid solution would be for there to be an organization that wears uniforms and has a strict no-violence policy to perform peaceful protests.

That way when agitators show up they can be seen as visually different and distinct.

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Post by throwaway894345 »

ETH_start wrote: post #672
lemoncookiechip wrote: post #497

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because this isn't about that. This is about having a perceived enemy that only you can fight. If it wasn't immigrants (legal or illegal), it would be a different group, within or outside of your borders. It's fascism 101.

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Which countries are using the military to enforce laws? Which countries are denying due process? In which countries is the executive branch ignoring court orders? In which countries is the executive branch claiming the powers of the legislative and judicial branches?

I have no doubt these countries exist, but I'm deeply skeptical that they are imitable.

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Post by BorgHunter »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #600
thesuitonym wrote: post #596

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Let's not blame the victims here. LA had it's problems but it wasn't a warzone until militarized police showed up. All it takes for a protest to become a riot is one cop firing into the crowd, and that could be caused because of a trigger happy cop, or a single person throwing a rock at the police line.

Oh yeah, it's totally the police that forced the poor democrats to burn cars, to throw bricks, to break in and loot stores. What a believable narrative.

Democrats? Democrats??? Like Karen Bass and Gavin Newsom are out there burning cars. Come on, man. These things are done by impulsive opportunists, not as some kind of political strategy. They happen during sports celebrations, regularly, all over the world.

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Post by socalgal2 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #260
jxjnskkzxxhx wrote: post #223

There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state. The other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.

> One fights the enemies of the state "At stake is a fundamental component of the framework of US constitutional democracy. It begins with the principle, enshrined in law, that military forces exist to protect the country from existential threats — such as an invasion or rebellion — not to enforce the law. Most fundamentally, the founders of the American republic understood very clearly that concentrated military pow…

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Post by larrled »

lazide wrote: post #577
Symmetry wrote: post #537

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I think the real reason is that Trump feels that the illegal immigration issue generates votes for him so actually solving it is the last thing he wants to do.

This has been true of every major policy ‘lock in’ topic for both parties for at least a decade, if not more. Gun control, abortion, immigration (legal and illegal), taxation/gov’t spending, affirmative action (aka DEI), etc. Trump is really good at pushing buttons and generating outrage though. Not unexpected for a reality TV show star.

It’s sad how addicted people are to his button pushing. I’ve got an elderly family member with dementia who can’t go more than 2 hours without watching a outrage video about Trump. You know the ones on YouTube, still doing hourly updates on russiagate and other “legal analysis” around Trump prosecutions, still. She lost much of her life savings because these YouTube “experts” explained how Trump would crash the market when in actuality, from 2016 to today, the market has actually gone up. A lot. Thanks medias touch or whoever it is for destroying the sanity and financial security of so many American seniors. What a business model.
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