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Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Software isn’t super hard I suppose, but you still need a dozen “rockstar devs” and $1mil in licensed software to push out a car, so yeah probably it’s a minimum $5-10m exercise for basic software that can just drive around. And if you start talking about razzle dazzle infotainment smart phone experiences, well that’s where you get the $1b price tag from. My startup is actually aiming to disrupt the low end of this w…

Interesting, mind sharing a bit more about the startup?

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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That wasn't a malfunction but rather a flight control feature the pilots didn't know about. (Iirc)

That's a very Boeing friendly way of putting it. As I understand it, yes the system worked as designed, but the design still managed to kill several hundred people. I'm not qualified to evaluate the design of the system itself. Was it inherently flawed or would everything have been fine if the optional backup sensor had been mandatory, making this another example of corporate greed causing tragedy? Either way, I don'…

My recollection is it applied flight control input when the pilots did not expect it. The system was documented but not present on other 737 models.

Definitely not trying to be Boeing friendly fwiw.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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My car randomly braked today because it thought a car on a side road was pulling out. Not just sound the alarm but actually apply the brakes. Fortunately I didn't have a tailgater behind me. I disable the "land assist" every time (which often tries to steer me into wildlife or other cars and was clearly not built for use on a single track country roads with hedges and random verges), but this was the first time in 3…

That happens decently often. This is the reality for all systems aside from braking system in trucks perhaps, which are more sophisticated. The decision to do an emergency break is the same problem fully self-driving cars need. You need to interpret sensory input and have a model of the environment. Ironically some genius made these systems mandatory despite them being a safety concern. Granted, they tend to work if…

Never had this happen in an EU-spec 2020 Audi A4.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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That wasn't a malfunction but rather a flight control feature the pilots didn't know about. (Iirc)

But that's the point! A professional pilot misunderstood/was unaware of a new safety feature, despite their professional experience and continuous training. So, is it really sane to put similar features in cars, where you get your driving licence at 16/18, and then that's it? This also goes for the huge screens on the console. A pilot has been trained for each commercial aircraft model they fly to navigate their way…

Ah I misread the comment as being about design quality rather than documentation and training.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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There are safety standards for automobile software: ISO 26262. Software for steering or braking systems is of high quality. It's not the same team that does the infotainment.

> ISO 26262. That is a piece of paper. > Software for steering or braking systems is of high quality. There's literally no way for me to know that before I trust my life with it.

I don't understand the reasoning you are making here. Cars have had advanced safety features like emergency breaking for a long time now (e.g. Toyota Crown Majesta 2003). Furthermore, there are many safety features that are controlled by software (e.g. airbags and seatbelts) that exist in all cars manufactured today.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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So I have serious thoughts about driving “software defined vehicles” in the future. I mean, and the article has confirmed this sufficiently, the core competence of the established car manufacturers is not software. I don't trust the newcomers like Tesla or the Chinese manufacturers for the time being. In my opinion, the same standards should apply to software in motor vehicles as in the aviation industry. And there c…

I'd trust BYD more than Tesla but I don't want to have to trust anyone. I drove a 20 year old Honda still to this day, but literally every new car has software in it and it won't be an option in the future. It's just too profitable to gather the data that they generate. It's a privacy nightmare. I'm still appalled that Tesla got caught pulling footage of people having sex in their own vehicles, but the legal world ha…

> I'm still appalled that Tesla got caught pulling footage of people having sex in their own vehicles

Anywhere I can read more about this? Sounds terrible.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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I want a 7-10” central display that spends 99% of its time showing CarPlay but also has a radio if I need it, the backup camera when I’m in reverse, and lets me change a couple of settings for convenience features like auto locking etc. Everything else can be dials, knobs, and buttons. My Mazda3 is perfect for this and I’m quite sad that I’m almost certainly not going to be able to find anything like it by the time I…

Look at aftermarket MMI boxes. They do this for $150. (Screen and controls not included because they use the factory ones.) Someone should tell an automobile manufacturer. It’d save them ~ $1B.

Shoutout to the thing I got for my mom's Merc where it's a literal 10 second installation to have carplay in a 2011 vehicle. Swap the built-in navi box with a $75 Aliexpress plug - bam, CarPlay/AA all wirelessly on the main screen and controllable by the standard navigation knob.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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> Consumers have had it with clunky, slow automotive technology, and the modern car is so computerized that a seamless electronic interface is an absolute necessity. Say what? Give me a clunky manual interface with buttons and knobs any time over an electronic interface for which I have to look away from the road.

You're part of a small minority of people that want to had old and outdated _infotainment_ systems. The only exception to this is that people want to have climate control knobs and buttons for some features (e.g. heated seats, driving-mode, etc). However, this is not what the article is discussing.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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IMHO, Tesla stubbornly refusing to launch an App store will be seen as is its biggest failure when one of their many competitors finally takes on this challenge. They have millions of iPads bolted onto electric wheels, and for some reason refuse to monetize it.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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We really need the right to modify our vehicle software, with zero 'safety' or 'environment' camel noses to shoe-horn in the total lockdowns we see prevalent today. 'FOSS' hardware should be exempted from a whole bunch of regulations to make it enticing and accessible to technicians, home builders, and boutique bespoke builders. What we don't want is Tesla's/Apple's model, we want the GNU/Linux on Talos II model with…

> We really need the right to modify our vehicle software

We really don't and neither do the manufacturers. Unless you want frequent crashes and user-caused engine problems. Programming an Engine Control Unit (ECU) is not trivial.

> with no surprise NSA backdoor management engines

These backdoors are generally required by law (e.g. Lawful Interception for Cellular Technologies) and are highly standardized. It is very unlikely that Tesla/Apple make backdoors on purpose.

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