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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by andrepd »

moomin wrote: post #312
tgv wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Catholic church has embraced science. It even accepts evolution and the big bang theory (as in: accepts it as a possibility, doesn't disavow it)

In general terms, whatever the subject, you can bet the Catholic Church has people that have thought deeply about it. Doesn’t you have to agree with them, but it’s a far cry from the kind of anti-intellectualism so beloved of the “evangelical” churches.

Well, to be fair "thought deeply" might mean "engaged in a scholasticism-tier effort of apologetics to argue a position it held to be true a priori"...

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Post by jwmcq »

PortiaBerries wrote: post #609
ben_w wrote: post #577

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Pope Quartz: https://xkcd.com/2501/ I was raised Catholic and couldn't have even told you there'd been a single Pope Leo, let alone 13 of them before today. The only Pope quote I could even give you is the term "Ex Cathedra".

It never ceases to amaze me how poorly catechized the majority of cradle Catholics are. I don't intend this to be directed at you, but it's a standing joke among traditionalist Catholics that "I was raised Catholic" is the preamble to a statement of either ignorance or heresy.

Growing up to Scottish and Irish Catholics in England, I remember talking to a bunch of Ulster protestants as a teenager when the topic turned to religion - I said "Well, I was raised Catholic but I'm not really a believer of any kind" and the response was "Ah, so you're one of THOSE Catholics!".

Turns out there are a lot of 'those' Catholics.

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Post by arp242 »

Sharlin wrote: post #623
tptacek wrote: post #361

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He was a substitute science teacher at St. Rita, on the South Side (when we were in 8th grade in Catholic school on the South Side, Rita is one of the high schools that came and pitched to us; Marist and Carmel were the two big draws for boys, McCauley for girls). Can you imagine how weird it would be to have a high school science teacher that went on to become pope ?

> Can you imagine how weird it would be to have a high school science teacher that went on to become pope? Soon on Netflix: the spiritual (heh) successor to Breaking Bad.

Breaking Bread

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Post by pie_flavor »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #636
comeonbro wrote: post #66

As a record of how likely people considered this outcome: Prevost was hovering around 1% on Polymarket, and was <0.5% between white smoke and announcement.

"people" "Polymarket" How many non-technical people are on polymarket? That seems like a poor sample size.

One of two things must be true: Either Polymarket's more accurate than you are, or you can make free money.

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Post by snickerbockers »

afavour wrote: post #97

> "Cardinal George of Chicago, of happy memory, was one of my great mentors, and he said: 'Look, until America goes into political decline, there won't be an American pope.' And his point was, if America is kind of running the world politically, culturally, economically, they don't want America running the world religiously. So, I think there's some truth to that, that we're such a superpower and so dominant, they do…

That's an interesting thought but if they're actually that concerned about it then they'd wait longer than four months. It probably has more to do with America's predominant religion being protestantism by a very wife margin for most of the country's existence. We didn't have a Catholic president until Kennedy and even then proving to the common American that Catholics aren't insane Vatican mindslaves was considered a hurdle he had to overcome.

If there's a political motive in not choosing an American pope until now it's that for most of American history it wouldn't have granted them any influence over American politics. If there's a personal motive it's that until recently they felt insulted that America went for almost 200 years before finally electing a Catholic president.

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Post by sepositus »

ComposedPattern wrote: post #630
sepositus wrote: post #543

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> It would be hard to argue that the bible actively promotes same-sex marriage, but I think you could reasonably argue that it says nothing on the subject and so leaves it for the church/community to decide. This is where I've yet to see convincing evidence. The whole meta-story of the first few chapters of Genesis was about creation. Not just creation of the universe as we know it, but the pro-creation between a man…

> The whole meta-story of the first few chapters of Genesis was about creation. Not just creation of the universe as we know it, but the pro-creation between a man and a woman in the sanctimony of marriage I find this to be a very strange reading. I never got that from the creation narrative at all. Looking through it, I only see two places that seem to be about marriage. First there's Genesis 2:22-24: > 22. And God…

> That talks about reproduction, but it doesn't say anything about marriage.

Later in chapter 2, God is quoted as saying:

> Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and cling to his wife, and they shall become one flesh

Jesus himself then comes back and quote this exact verse in Genesis in the context of divorce being bad (Matthew 19). It's clearly referencing marriage within the context of creation.

You may not agree it's the central thrust of the text, and perhaps I overstated the position, but marriage between a man and a woman is certainly a major theme in these first two chapters. I'd be impressed if you can find Rabbinical texts that support a different theory.

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Post by chambers »

moralestapia wrote: post #164
soulofmischief wrote: post #139

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When you're under its thumb of oppression, all of the aesthetic takes on a very dark and sinister authoritarian tone and becomes symbolic of a lifetime of repression and coercion. Source: raised by an extremely abusive Catholic deacon.

When you're embraced by its grace, all of the aesthetic takes on a very bright and uplifting inspirational tone and becomes symbolic of a lifetime of guidance and empowerment. Source: raised by an extremely loving Catholic mother.

I was also raised by a loving catholic mother, who let me go my way, out of the church. I eventually found my way back in, and feel similar to you as you do now.

IMHO, the GP has a right to share his experience here as we do ours. A thread on the election of a pope, with a subthread on the beauty of church, is a fair venue for sharing. There's no need for prejudice, disguised as policing, on either side.

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Post by dragonwriter »

anonymousiam wrote: post #404

The New Pope Robert Prevost is a registered Republican https://x.com/TheCalvinCooli1/status/1920534168301130101

Illinois doesn't have party registration and the entrt reflects voting in a Republican primary. That might indicate a Republican preference, or it might indicate perceiving the potential stakes in the Republican primary contest as higher, because, e.g., having a much stronger preference that a particular Republican not win than any preference among Democratic candidates.
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