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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by ok_dad »

yusaythat wrote: post #660
consteval wrote: post #636

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To be blunt, your perspective does not align with reality. The reality is that transgender Americans have been doing these things, all these things, for many decades. And nobody, and I do mean nobody, cared. Ultimately you are not inspecting penises in the Men's room. You, yourself, do not care. What do you believe transgender people did in the 70s, or 80s, or 90s? You've never thought about it because you know, deep…

I grew up in locker rooms. I started swimming competitively at age 7. The whole, "you were actually surrounded by trans people your whole life and never knew it till 5 years ago!" is absolutely delusional and my guess is you don't actually have much experience in men's rooms at all.

This will blow your mind: in Hawaiian culture, transgender people held a place of honor and respect. Hawaii is part of America (illegally overthrown), so there’s a cultural history of transgender people that you can point to here that is respectful, though today a lot of Hawaiians use it as a derogatory term due to hate brought in with Christianity and continental culture.

I don’t get why it’s such a threat, please explain that rather than trying to erase transgender people. Gays also have a very long history, and they’re also in the crosshairs today, why them? Did gays not exist to you in the past as well?

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by rozap »

fourside wrote: post #543
kragen wrote: post #416

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Possibly because the comment section will inevitably collapse into a partisan flamewar.

This is ironic. I thought there was a big push from the right for less censorship and less moderation in social media. Now we’re flagging posts because the comment section may get heated.

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by ok_dad »

enoch_r wrote: post #667
consteval wrote: post #636

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be blunt, your perspective does not align with reality. The reality is that transgender Americans have been doing these things, all these things, for many decades. And nobody, and I do mean nobody, cared. Ultimately you are not inspecting penises in the Men's room. You, yourself, do not care. What do you believe transgender people did in the 70s, or 80s, or 90s? You've never thought about it because you know, deep…

> The reality is that transgender Americans have been doing these things, all these things, for many decades. Do you have any evidence for that? For example, do you have evidence of any of these happening in the US before, say, 1990? - any openly transgender athlete participating in sports on the team of their preferred gender rather than their sex assigned at birth? - large numbers of children receiving "gender-affi…

Nice steel manning, of course transgender people without bottom surgery don’t walk into nude spas. If you find a single example, great, find me the hundreds of examples you folks claim there are which threaten you. You’re not arguing honestly, just coming up with wild situations that don’t match reality. You may be uninformed, or misinformed, I suggest you actually read more than surface articles on Fox News.

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Post by kragen »

ok_dad wrote: post #668
kragen wrote: post #566

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This has been HN policy since the beginning, and while HN is usually still quite unpleasant, policies like this one are largely responsible for preventing it from being worse. There are social contexts where discussions of topics like US immigration policy can do good rather than harm, but HN is not one of them.

Are you kidding? There are so many VCs here who have the resources to push for fair treatment of immigrants and foreign visitors! HN is the perfect place to discuss this.

I am not kidding. The problem is that the discussion collapses into an unpersuasive and uninformative partisan flamewar, so it does not improve the choices that those VCs will make. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43413819 for a more in-depth discussion.

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Post by ok_dad »

kragen wrote: post #674
ok_dad wrote: post #668

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Are you kidding? There are so many VCs here who have the resources to push for fair treatment of immigrants and foreign visitors! HN is the perfect place to discuss this.

I am not kidding. The problem is that the discussion collapses into an unpersuasive and uninformative partisan flamewar, so it does not improve the choices that those VCs will make. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43413819 for a more in-depth discussion.

Sometimes things get messy discussing important topics, we should err on the side of sunshine rather than darkness for these discussions. HN has a lot of powerful and wealthy people who have a responsibility to protect the system they relied on to become rich and powerful, but instead these people ignore the discussion because it doesn’t mesh with their ideas that America is the greatest.

See my connect from a few comments ago where I mention how interesting it is we can discuss authoritarian slides everywhere else except when it happens in America. It’s almost a conspiracy, IMO.

Also, I can understand demonizing the current admin, they’re flaunting the most important laws that protect us, and for some here the USA is poised to upend their lives or worse.

In any case, this discussion isn’t interesting, and constant complaints of bad behavior are stifling the actual discussion more than those flagged, dead comments that started shit.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by lazerpants »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #527
refurb wrote: post #493

Apparently she broke several rules and it’s bordering on fraud. - She worked in LA on a TN that was revoked - She applied for a TN visa at the Canadian border and was denied - She then flew to Mexico to try again at the San Diego border (USCBP can see this and explicitly say not to “crossing shop”) - Her new TN was sponsored by a company she owns for another drinks company she also owns (you can’t self-sponsor a TN v…

So deny her entry and let her airline deal with returning her? Why did she need to be imprisoned? International Law says that if you're denied entry the onus is on your flight carrier to return you, which is a private matter between you and the carrier.

She was at the land border crossing between Tijuana and San Diego. Still not an excuse for her uncontested deportation to take two weeks though.

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Post by yusaythat »

consteval wrote: post #664
yusaythat wrote: post #660

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I grew up in locker rooms. I started swimming competitively at age 7. The whole, "you were actually surrounded by trans people your whole life and never knew it till 5 years ago!" is absolutely delusional and my guess is you don't actually have much experience in men's rooms at all.

I have, of course, been in Men's rooms. In my experiences in Men's rooms, I have seen remarkably few penises. These transgender people did not suddenly pop out of nowhere. For context, I know several trans women who are in their 50s, and transitioned a long time ago. I see with transgender people what I saw with homosexuals. That they were some type of phenomena, a new social contagion. That they are on the attack. I…

All of the boys in the swim club changed together. All the boys in middle school and high school sports changed together. As an adult, working out at gyms and rec centers, all the men change and shower and talk and joke butt naked. Half the YMCAs I've been to over the years have a group of old guys that will tease you for being shy. The high school swim team I was on was... wild, I guess I'll say. Not buying what you're selling, sorry.

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Post by apwell23 »

slekker wrote: post #439
transcriptase wrote: post #274

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You run a company in LA. Your visa is revoked. You show up at a different border shortly after with a novel job offer. Is it a genuine job offer or are you going back to run your company?

Can you share the part of the article where this is mentioned or a source?

"stayed in Canada for the next few months, and was eventually offered a similar position with a different health and wellness brand."

When i google "holy water" first few links for me are some sort of THC infused liquid. But i think this person was working for one without thc?

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by gruez »

TriangleEdge wrote: post #544
mgh2 wrote: post #520

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Do you care to share more details? What questions did they ask and what were your replies?

The officers were "dirty". They brought me in a room to do an interrogation where one officer asked questions and the other took notes on an old computer. I literally told them: "I am not going to stay past my return date" and the officer asking questions told the officer taking notes to not write that down. They asked who my parents were, how much money I had, my employment history, what I did in the US while workin…

>They asked if I was applying for jobs and I said yes because I was unemployed. They then asked if the jobs were in the US and I said I would accept another TN job if I could. They call the process a "sworn statement".

So you told them that you were there for visiting/tourism, and they alleged you were coming to the US to work, on the basis that you're applying to jobs in the US?

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Post by [deleted] »

blindriver wrote: post #249
ssijak wrote: post #235

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"woman from the UK was denied entry into Canada and because of that was denied entry back into the US" You are proving my point, she was again detained by USA for 3 weeks when it could have been resolved much better and faster.

Yes we agree then. Every country is strict at the border. That’s my point.

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