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Musk-led group makes $97B bid for control of OpenAI

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Tesla sales are collapsing globally partly due to Musk's mental breakdown and are not likely to recover much, especially since Tesla no longer really has a CEO.

To me it seems to have very little to do with his antics. Surely inflation, market saturation, and increased competition is more probable?

He said “partly” — seems reasonable that throwing nazi salutes around might have a partial impact on declining sales?

Re: Musk-led group makes $97B bid for control of OpenAI

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"The bid is being backed by Musk's AI company xAI, which could merge with OpenAI following a deal, according to the Wall Street Journal which first reported Musk's offer earlier on Monday." xAI is not making any money - it's a money furnace, so what does it mean the bid is backed by xAI ? The leverage and 'creativity' in the US is off the charts. Dotcom bubble starts to look reasonable.

as i underestand it, xAI is essentially Elon's personal piggybank, and how he funnels money from his other companies back to himself. Tesla is public and Twitter is co-owned by a whole bunch of other billionaires, but xAI is just Elon.

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I see clear sentiment change in HN. And that is why I love this forum. People here do change their opinions when presented with facts :) Proud to be a member of the community.

I mean...you're kinda using sentimental anecdata to pat hn on the back a little bit here. There are definitely other explanations for sentiment change than being presented with facts.

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> "It's time for OpenAI to return to the open-source, safety-focused force for good it once was," Musk said in the press release. "We will make sure that happens."" From the creator of Grok, this is such an insane thing to say

Could you add more context? I’m unfamiliar with Grok. Is Elon being a hypocrite?

Grok has absolutely no safety mecanism in place, you can use it for anything it will not block a query, all under the pretext of "free speech". And it's not open source either

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WSJ Full Article: https://archive.is/Uygax

This includes the actually interesting bit: > One of the thorniest questions in the conversion has been how the nonprofit will be valued. Musk’s bid sets a high bar and may mean that he, or whoever runs the nonprofit, would end up with a large and possibly controlling stake in the new OpenAI. So this is a play to mess with the restructuring? Why aren't the news stories exploring this angle? It's very annoying that th…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He single handedly also vindicated one of the most authoritarian regimes - China - in how it slapped Jack Ma as soon as he started entering politics and gaining influence beyond tech entrepreneurship.

Nothing vindicates the CCP. They enact laws guaranteeing free speech and human rights, then execute their critics and sell their organs.

The dreams of Musk/Trump

Re: Musk-led group makes $97B bid for control of OpenAI

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The one thing Musk does not have in his drive for total world domination is AI. Don't let him get it. Profoundly dangerous. Watch as he attempts to use the levers of the now illegitimate US government to force the outcome.

If you don't think Tesla is an AI company, you're not paying attention. xAI is also owned by him.

Meanwhile, OpenAI was cofounded by him.

Is there some reason OpenAI, which has maneuvered for regulatory capture of the AI industry in the past, is less dangerous than whatever you perceive?

Re: Musk-led group makes $97B bid for control of OpenAI

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He already owns xAI, valued at $45B+.

Correct, though my perception is that it's a distant Nth-place player behind ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, Perplexity, etc.

Grok 2 is already better than Claude 3.5, at least for programming tasks, in my experience.

Re: Musk-led group makes $97B bid for control of OpenAI

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Easy: buy media companies to sow political division and pollute the discourse, buy political influence to restrict access to open and unbiased education to ensure the populace cannot engage in critical thinking, then poison the environment in myriad ways until people in their 20s require a dozen rounds of IVF to have kids (or more likely, just giving up because of the ruinious state of inflation compared to incomes).

Come on... endlessly wealthy and wants to do harm? There's only one real, obvious answer: Engineer a plague, or a series of plagues targeting food crops, livestock, and humans. Make something as contagious as measles that kills a third of people reliably, spread it multiple global focal points at once, and you could topple the world pretty effectively. If you attacked the economy and food supply at the same time I do…

The thought experiment was to do maximum harm entirely legally
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