It's unbelievable that Trump has managed to facilitate this before he even steps into office. It is a brutal display of power, but that is sometimes needed, just like when a parent needs to intervene in a conflict between children.
Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza
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#672Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not true at all. The current conflict isn't some thousand year old feud. It was very much caused by the deliberate provocation and importation of European settlers via Zionism. It's easy to wave our hands and say "it's so complicated!" or "they've been doing this for thousands of years!" but it's not complicated, much like apartheid South Africa, Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were not complicated. Colonialis…
Doesn't the Torah count for something? It works slower than fiber optics but is massively parallel.
> Doesn't the Torah count for something?
No, absolutely not.
If I try to use ancient religions to justify violently forcing a claim to your house and land, then you're entirely within your right to defend yourself by any means necessary. That's not a thing any more. This might help you understand: [0]
And, many Jewish people decry Zionism as a perversion.
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#673Earlier quoted context omitted.
“only you can stop us from bombing civilians” -country bombing said civilians
Who did Hamas target on October 7? Remind me again? Was that a military music festival they attacked? Hamas hides behind civilians. They don't care about Palestinian lives. The Palestinians apparently don't care since they let Hamas hide behind them and let them remain in power. So, why are we supposed to care?
because Israel is suppose to be a Western style liberal democracy that has things like respect for human rights, not committing war crimes, and other standards that are above a terrorist group like Hamas
Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza
#674How long before Hamas start shooting rockets indiscriminately into Israel again
It was only hours before Israel broke the ceasefire repeatedly.
Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza
#675Hamas was offered a ceasefire under exactly the same terms in May, and refused it. Since then: * Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of the Hamas political wing, was killed in Tehran * Yahyah Sinwar, the leader of the Al-Qassam Brigades, was killed in Gaza * Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Lebanese Hezbollah, was killed in Beirut * Hashem Safieddine, Nasrallah's successor, was killed a week later * Large swathes of Hezbollah'…
> They should have taken the deal when it was first offered
It is a foregone conclusion that (the despots in charge of) Hamas aren't operating on the same trade-offs as you & I. Despite the toll, they'll consider it a victory if the IDF withdraws from all its positions.
Not taking the deal has indeed caused more mayhem, but on the flipside, Likud+ are being dragged through the mud, and for some, they were made to look every bit the "terrorists" they seem to hate with a vengeance.
Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza
#676I suggest looking up the dictionary definitions of the words "war" and "genocide" and seriously considering which of the two is more appropriate for this situation.
Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza
#677Earlier quoted context omitted.
What are their goals at this point? Looks to me as an outsider like they’ve had multiple wins and should take that. Hezbollah, Syria, successful strike on Irans missile facilities, Gaza is a pile of rubble.
The goal is to eliminate Hamas, or at least prevent them for returning to rule the Gaza strip. That has not been accomplished.
> goal is to eliminate Hamas, or at least prevent them for returning to rule the Gaza strip. That has not been accomplished
Can it be?
Hamas were idiots for launching the October 7th attack. In part because they trashed any moral high ground they might have had by attacking both military and civilians. In part because they picked a fight they couldn't win. (Granted, they counted on regional support that number came.)
At what point does Israel prosecuting its own Vietnam in Gaza meet the same razor?
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#678Earlier quoted context omitted.
OK since no one else has said it yet, "according to a source familiar with the details"[1] (I know) Trump has basically told Netanyahu to agree to the ceasefire including the return of hostages. Then if they decide to break the ceasefire and go back to relentless bombings, Trump will still continue to support them. So it could be a tactic to get Hamas to release whatever hostages are still alive, then get right back…
Wouldn't trumps best course of action have been to wait two weeks and make it seem like it was all because of him?
> Wouldn't trumps best course of action have been to wait two weeks and make it seem like it was all because of him?
No. He's getting the credit now. And he got it while maneuvering risk free.
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#679Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hamas is a terrorist, Islamist organization with the explicit goal of genocide against Israelis: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/ha... The blood of the Palestinian civilians that Hamas waged war from behind is absolutely on Hamas's hands.
> The blood of the Palestinian civilians that Hamas waged war from behind is absolutely on Hamas's hands. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. Thousands of Palestinians children are dead, and for every single one, Israel could have chosen not to kill them, and the decision to do so is on them.
They had no choice. If you're Natanyahu on October 8, 2023, and the reports of the Hamas massacres on civilians come in, there is almost no leeway for reacting in a way differently than how the Israeli government and the IDF reacted. What I've heard from "pro-Palestine" (= pro Hamas) supporters as alternatives so far was utterly unconvincing, basically variations of the following:
- The "Israel should disband itself" reply: Give in to terrorists' demands, give them their country, and humbly negotiated for a freeing of the hostages without any military response. Hamas remains in charge as military dictatorship of Gaza.
- The military genius reply: I would have sent only special forces to Gaza to go after the Hamas leadership and free all hostages. No civilians would have been harmed and all collateral damage is avoided.
Neither of these are even remotely realistic. What was ordered and how events unfolded was more or less like any other country would have reacted. Two goals: #1 Destroy Hamas, #2 Free the hostages.
The problem right now with the hostage deal is that it leaves Hamas in charge. That's a huge problem.
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Israel was in an extremely secure position on October 6th. They blew it by getting soft on border security, a mistake they won’t make again. There was absolutely zero reason a single hamas fighter should’ve been able to escape Gaza.
Yes reading about the insecurity of the military outposts near the border, one only filled with all-female 20yr old comms people and only a couple guards with rifles, another base full of unarmed students in training, and the general slow response of some of the QRF was pretty shocking. Proper military response took hours to show up in some cases. It's not like the giant Ukraine border, it should be easier to manage.…
what’s wrong with women?