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TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by serenadeineb »

tevon wrote: post #476
serenadeineb wrote: post #185

Congress shall make no law respecting ... or the right of the people peaceably to assemble ... unless they mumble 'national security', and then screw the constitution ...

It makes no sense to me how this is an argument of free speech. I assume you are saying this is curtailing the creators speech? However the creators can move to any other platform, they are not being restricted in what they can say or produce. So perhaps the concern is about TikTok's free speech; which, thank god the constitution does not protect a foreign adversaries right to free speech.

Not free speech. INHO its about free assembly. 140M of us assembled there, and now that meeting place is being distroyed, and we are being dispersed, without any actual harm being in evidence. If the government can do that here, it can do it anywhere.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by Aunche »

josho wrote: post #628
some_random wrote: post #624

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's mostly true and it's a good thing for the US to prevent hostile, autocratic, foreign powers from gaining undue cultural power.

I think you've been propagandized because having autocratic private institutions having undue cultural power is proving to be worse for our culture than anything a foreign country has done to us. Don't believe me, we've got lots of data correlating the rise of social media and mental health crisis. As time moves on the evidence linking the two continues to become stronger.

> having autocratic private institutions having undue cultural power is proving to be worse for our culture than anything a foreign country has done to us

Dogs kill more Americans than lions, but that doesn't mean that we should be letting people have lions as pets.

I'd personally be happy to see something like Australia's recent restriction of teen use of social media in the US, but bringing that up now is just a whataboutism.

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Post by cpursley »

some_random wrote: post #624
tnt128 wrote: post #614

Let’s be clear about one thing: it’s never about protecting the privacy of private citizens—that’s just the justification. Social networking platforms are among the most effective tools for mass influence, second only to religion. The U.S. has held a monopoly on this power, leveraging it to gather data on citizens worldwide and projecting our value systems onto others. Banning TikTok is simply an effort by us to main…

That's mostly true and it's a good thing for the US to prevent hostile, autocratic, foreign powers from gaining undue cultural power.

We should return the favor then and shut down the psyops divisions like this (and these are just the public ones):

https://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/specialty-careers/sp...

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Post by nojvek »

Zuckerberg and Elon got what they wanted. Regulatory capture. Got the govt to ban a superior product. Elon even gets dips on acquiring it and expanding his megaphone.

I guess US is becoming more like China. Choosing their horses and warding off competition.

So much for free markets.

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Post by [deleted] »

some_random wrote: post #627
mullingitover wrote: post #623

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US censorship of Chinese social media apps on these grounds sure makes it look like China was completely justified in doing it first.

Could you elaborate on that? I have no clue how the US banning TikTok for granting the CCP the ability to algorithmically influence the views of Americans somehow justifies the decade plus of the GFW, blocking Western social media, rampant censorship, etc.

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Post by antiterra »

hnpolicestate wrote: post #653
tnt128 wrote: post #614

Let’s be clear about one thing: it’s never about protecting the privacy of private citizens—that’s just the justification. Social networking platforms are among the most effective tools for mass influence, second only to religion. The U.S. has held a monopoly on this power, leveraging it to gather data on citizens worldwide and projecting our value systems onto others. Banning TikTok is simply an effort by us to main…

It demonstrates Western weakness. Remember, during the Cold war the "iron curtain" was meant to prevent Soviets from seeing Western culture, political points of views. The United States does not feel confident in its ability to persuade Americans that it's model, culture and political ideals are superior to global alternatives. Hence a Western Iron Curtain.

Simple exposure to culture, propaganda and points of view is child’s play compared to the modern strategy of inciting discord by amplifying existing differences and mass scale disinformation.

Don’t forget that part of the reason there’s a compartmentalization between Douyin and Tiktok is China’s own concerns about their nationals being exposed to outside influence in a manner far greater than what the US dictates the other way.

I really enjoyed TikTok and will miss it, but it’s hard to argue that it didn’t at least provide the potential for the CCP to more directly have an intentionally negative influence on western audiences.

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Post by drawkward »

toofy wrote: post #636
some_random wrote: post #624

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's mostly true and it's a good thing for the US to prevent hostile, autocratic, foreign powers from gaining undue cultural power.

i would argue, if it’s that powerful, it should be illegal for anyone to have that sort of power. from china to musk to zuckerberg to religions. we really should ask ourselves why we’re continuing to allow some to continue these abuses…. there should be laws in place to stop all of them.

Agreed; let's ban social media.

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Post by thrance »

A few months ago I'd have cheered on this news but now that Zuckerberg has made his coming out and basically promised to turn Instagram and Facebook into yet more MAGA echo chambers, I feel... conflicted.

I do still think the world would be better with less social media, but the only words in my mind right now are "not like this".

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by tnt128 »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #664
mullingitover wrote: post #623

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US censorship of Chinese social media apps on these grounds sure makes it look like China was completely justified in doing it first.

??? Isn't it the reverse? China has censored/banned many US apps and websites for a long time, surely turnabout is fair play? Hell, TikTok itself is already banned in China, irony of ironies.

China didn’t ban U.S. apps. it maintains a policy that sets a high bar for foreign operators, such as requiring domestic servers, domestic partners legally responsible for operations, content access and moderation to meet local standards, etc.

U.S. apps and websites simply choose not to operate there due to these requirements.

The U.S. has been complaining about this for years, advocating for a free internet without censorship in the Chinese market. But now that Chinese apps have access to American data, we’ve begun implementing the same measures.

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