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Post by TheFreim »

guitarlimeo wrote: post #633

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Targeted assassinations should get more attention and resources. The ramifications of allowing an assassin to go free are much worse than a random killing. There is a small subset of the population that is both smart enough and crazy enough to successfully plan an assassination, that group of people needs to know that they won't have a chance of escaping and that they'll be hunted down.

Think of it this way: do you want your political enemies to start thinking, "Hey, I bet I could get away with assassinating that activist/politician"? Personally, my disdain of the American Healthcare complex is overruled by my opposition to normalizing political assassinations.

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Post by ifyoubuildit »

laidoffamazon wrote: post #542
likeabatterycar wrote: post #508

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Educated people tend to overestimate their abilities outside their domain. We've all known someone with an "I can do anything" complex. Anyone can do anything... poorly. He likely deluded himself into believing he already outsmarted the cops so why even bother. Having two degrees doesn't make one a competent plumber, electrician, or in this case, criminal.

Looking at his tweets he looks like a perfect example of a smug “TPOT” postrationalist that identifies themselves as “gray tribe” and then mainlines figures like Bret and Eric Weinstein and has retrograde views. Thinking he’s smarter than the rest of us is most likely a big part of his identity.

I don't understand most of these terms, and I'm curious how much of that is me being a dummy, or just not consuming a generous amount of some very specific bubble's jargon.

Edit: to clarify, when you go down the rabbit hole of certain bubbles, you come across terms that nobody will know unless they've gone down those same rabbit holes. Occasionally when you come up for air, you might find yourself using those terms as if they're broadly known.

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Post by Cumpiler69 »

prawn wrote: post #580
breadwinner wrote: post #44

He was carrying all of the evidence with him, including the fake ID he used at the hostel, the gun & suppressor, mask, and even a handwritten manifesto that points to his motivation. It seems he wanted to be found.

My guess is that he assumed he'd be caught early, wasn't, and then got a bit overwhelmed with the reality of staying on the loose. That would've been overwhelming: finding places to sleep, transport, eating, etc. A gun and ID might've felt like tools that still had use, so he was yet to discard them. Why you'd eat-in at a fast food place rather than just go via some low level Chinese takeaway though!

>A gun and ID might've felt like tools that still had use

Exactly. A gun, even without ammo, still allows you to get out of hairy situations: steal a car, force someone to drive you somewhere, etc

>Why you'd eat-in at a fast food place rather than just go via some low level Chinese takeaway though!

Maybe he though he'd be more anonymous in a major fast food chain, and you stand out more in a Chinese place.

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Post by TheFreim »

naming_the_user wrote: post #667
guitarlimeo wrote: post #633

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I don’t know why people bring this up as if it’s some sort of revelation. That’s literally what status is. People care more because you are actually a more meaningful individual in a real sense. The gunman is hardly a nobody either. There might be an issue if murders in general were going uninvestigated. Realistically it’s more that you just don’t see it happen.

Speaking entirely separately from the CEO assassination case, people often have a flawed comic book villain vision of wealthy people as being universally or unambiguously evil but that's just not the case. Wealthy people are often involved in their communities and actually want them to improve. I can think of a few people where I live who are very wealthy and also very generous, and as a result have touched the hearts of many more people in the community.

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Post by noisy_boy »

gwd wrote: post #553
breadwinner wrote: post #44

He was carrying all of the evidence with him, including the fake ID he used at the hostel, the gun & suppressor, mask, and even a handwritten manifesto that points to his motivation. It seems he wanted to be found.

> It seems he wanted to be found. I talked to someone personally who at some point had committed a series of crimes, and at some point they started doing things that were more and more likely to get them caught; they told me they thought to themselves, "What am I doing?" But they didn't stop, and eventually got caught. In a different story, a few years ago I dropped my wallet on the sidewalk outside my house, and som…

> My take is this: We present to others, and even ourselves, the illusion that there's just one unified "self"; but really inside there are a number of independent motivations within us. In both cases above, I think there was a part of those people who felt guilty and actually did want to be caught and punished.

I have a different take. Assuming his crime is driven by his beliefs/mission, not being found will not further it. Logically you may argue that it would afford him more chances to carry on but given that we assume him to be driven by strong and passionate belief, he would want to be clearly and explicitly recognized for those beliefs and would want those thoughts to take center stage of public opinion. Carrying evidence also is his way of broadcasting the signal that he doesn't care about getting caught since he did the right thing and has nothing to be ashamed of.

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Post by mattw2121 »

jml78 wrote: post #598
benterix wrote: post #590

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> who actually lead pretty decent lives. It's because the whole image is fake. In theory everything is fine but you know there is something very bad about the healthcare system, and the power of an institution to decide about someone else's life or death is just one aspect of it; prices inflated beyond imagination is another one (these two are related). So we pretend to live normal lives but in the back of our head w…

I can explain my perspective which echos kinda what you say. I am in my 40s, I make pretty good money. My life is good. My mom died last year. The medical system and her medicare "advantage" plan killed her. She had a stroke. However, within a day, she was up and walking around with assistance. However, the hospital was understaffed so two things happened. She fell going to the bathroom AND after that happened, they…

This is my story, just replacing "mom" with "dad". Thanks for telling it and sorry for your loss.

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Post by moffkalast »

coryfklein wrote: post #635

You stand at the fork in the tracks. Pulling the lever will divert the train from a track with 10,000 people on it, to a track with 1 person on it. Do you pull the lever?

Technically two people on it, one of them being yourself. Changes the rationale quite a bit.

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Post by silexia »

rajnathani wrote: post #488

Valedictorian in high school, from a well-off family, studied computer science in college that too from a pretty good college, founded / involved-in a game dev club in college, had people around him refer to him as nice, also had familial relations to someone in a good post such as in his case in a state legislature. He unfortunately sounds very similar to people like you and I here on Hacker News, rather than what w…

Sounds like drug abuse hurt him.

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Post by sizzle »

lr1970 wrote: post #596
xyst wrote: post #491

A couple of theories: - person clearly had meticulously planned the execution of the hit and exfiltration. Even leaving red herrings on his way out of the city (backpack full of Monopoly money). Yet clumsily keeps _all_ of the evidence that would implicate himself in this murder. Not to mention he is wandering about in public while a multi-state manhunt is underway with the full weight of alphabet soup agencies, and…

Neither of your theories answer the question -- how did he know that the CEO was staying in a hotel other than Hilton (conference venue) and would arrive by foot 1 hour and 15 minutes before conference opens at 8am (CEOs do not typically arrive so early in advance). The shooter was caught on camera talking on a burner phone 15 minutes before shooting. Who did he talk to? Was he acting alone or received some help? The…

Also I read it was a 3D printed gun and silencer which is hard to believe just printed it and never practiced or is he trained at shooting?
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