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South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by vundercind »

all2 wrote: post #668
vundercind wrote: post #586

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Yeah, a non-divided military + police usually means a very short and decisive civil war, in observable modern cases. The exceptions tend to involve a divided armed forces, or extensive foreign interference on behalf of the rebels (see: Syria). For some reason, folks like to cite US foreign intervention failures as proof motivated locals with rifles can beat the US military, but that's not really the right thing to lo…

Consider insurgency as a possible way a civil war would play out. Asymmetrical wars (or Small Wars ) are very hard for conventional armies to fight. And even harder to win.

Given significant foreign support, sure.

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Post by aurareturn »

billy99k wrote: post #528
aurareturn wrote: post #328

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I'll tell you my experience: I was just in Shenzhen last month. It feels like a city that is 10 years ahead of any place in the US. The city felt extremely futuristic. Most cars on the road are EVs. Payments are all digital. Ordering at restaurants is on your phone. The entire city is extremely clean, civilized, efficient, safe which you can't say about any major US city. Hop on a high speed train at any time and go…

"I was just in Shenzhen last month. It feels like a city that is 10 years ahead of any place in the US. The city felt extremely futuristic. Most cars on the road are EVs. Payments are all digital. Ordering at restaurants is on your phone. The entire city is extremely clean, civilized, efficient, safe which you can't say about any major US city. Hop on a high speed train at any time and go to anywhere in China within…

Chinese people are conservative by nature. What’s the murder rate in the Chinese community in the US? In Canada? Etc.

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Post by rat87 »

llm_trw wrote: post #66
laidoffamazon wrote: post #55

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I interpreted it as being Trumpian to perform a coup in an otherwise stable democracy. But YMMV on interpretation

>He's declaring his liberal opposition are sympathizers with North Korea. It sounds very Trump-ian, to be honest. Where in that single sentence did you find a reference to a coup?

autogolpe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup > A self-coup, also called an autocoup (from Spanish autogolpe) or coup from the top, is a form of coup d'état in which a political leader, having come to power through legal means, stays in power through illegal means through the actions of themselves and/or their supporters.[1] The leader may dissolve or render powerless the national legislature and unlawfully assume extraordinary powers. Other measures may include annulling the nation's constitution, suspending civil courts, and having the head of government assume dictatorial powers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_South_Korean_martial_law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capito...

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Post by EasyMark »

dmix wrote: post #309
tacheiordache wrote: post #68

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There must be some rule on the internet where if some geopolitical thing happens anywhere in the world at least one person will blame Russia.

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Post by ANewFormation »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #461
ANewFormation wrote: post #447

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So protestors, and other politicians, rejected his claim of martial law - it's now over, and he will likely be arrested. Seems there yet remains more to power than titles and declarations.

> he will likely be arrested He hasn't done anything illegal. Being asked to resign or forced to by impeachment are more likely.

You should check out South Korea's history. Presidents ending up in prison or killed is a national tradition.

If there were a prediction market for this within 3 years, I'd expect the line to be around 70%. He just did a weird spin on the 'if you go after the king, don't miss' and missed.

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Post by EasyMark »

phist_mcgee wrote: post #615
rpicard wrote: post #183

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I recently found Rest of World and I like it, they seem to be high quality: https://restofworld.org/

What a weird name: "rest of the world". I live in the "rest of the world" and never thought of myself like that.

Don’t you think “there’s my county $MY_COUNTRY, and then there’s the rest of the world” ? I figured every one did, I don’t really consider anyone a “citizen of the world”

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

nullhole wrote: post #663
mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #626

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> It needed to happen. This is independent of the claim that it didn't happen ("Zero countries in the West enacted anything resembling martial law"). We're just talking about whether martial law was imposed, not whether it was unjustified.

I was objecting to the characterization of the occupation of the capital city as being simply a 'protest'.

Ah, that's fair. I wrote "protest" not to downplay the severity of the situation but because I wanted to clarify that it wasn't enacted in response to COVID itself, which would probably be everyone's first guess (although that was also considered but rejected by the premiers).

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Post by smegger001 »

bloomingkales wrote: post #32

Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Up there with gravity and shit. I wish we could do something with this information, but alas, knowledge isnt power. Cersei Lannister: Power is power.

Power is power, knowledge is a lever

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Post by jldugger »

jbm wrote: post #544
intoamplitudes wrote: post #11

Transparent coup d'etat attempt rumored to happen for months. The only option when the mouse is cornered. Approval rating in the <10% range, Japan whispering in his ear and pulling the puppet strings, crazy selfish wife abusing state resources, it is almost comically predictable if not for how serious it is. North Korea is always the convenient excuse... only hope Westerners don't get fooled by the rhetoric. Guy digg…

> Japan whispering in his ear Anyone who has dealt with Japanese bureaucracy and government at large is stifling a giggle at this idea.

Plus, their brand new prime minister called a snap election and damn near lost himself the job when his party came out worse than he started.
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