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Not wanting to be invaded isn't warmongering, except in the eyes of the invader
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You do. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is not an ambiguous war. Russia is plainly in the wrong.
I don't know what goes on to comment. I'm not there and I don't fool myself into thinking that I know geopolitics just because I read some articles. My comment was replying to someone who said the Russians are the war thirsty people of the world. It's a bit rich because, there's a bunch of other ongoing wars in the world and people aren't just "bad" or "good"
Objective facts though: Russia invaded Ukraine, in 2014 and 2022. There was no formal declaration of war. There were widespread and indiscriminate attacks on civilians.
Which parts of those are "good" in your opinion? Do you believe Russia's "denazification" claim?
There are no international laws that legitimized Russia's invasion of Ukraine. If Ukraine was in violation of something, there's procedures in place to declare war legitimately - but before that there's the nonviolent approach, which Russia skipped.
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Don't forget how Germany's exports of chips and machinery to places like Kyrgyzstan skyrocketed since the invasion. > Exports of motor vehicles and motor vehicle parts to Kyrgyzstan grew particularly strongly in the first quarter, soaring more than 4,000% from a very small base to over 84 million euros... That came after a six-fold rise in German exports to Kyrgyzstan last year following Russia's February 2022 invasi…
>who support the thugs in Russian gov You can't defeat them, the NATO strategy has failed. I sympathize with the Russian opposition, but I think it is wrong to interfere in Russian domestic politics. Apart from that, I have always been suspicious of the West's favorite oligarchs.
Calling it "Russian domestic politics" just invalidates in my eyes any other argument you make. Because it is so plainly not
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Make them pay dearly every time there's even reasonable suspicion that Russia has messed with Western/NATO technological infrastructure. That we still have oligarchs and bratva members walking around on NATO soil in the open this far into things is insane.
What do you mean "pay dearly" Not more violence I hope... https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/12/11/afghanistan-papers-detai... Imagine if every bad thing USA did... people want USA to "pay dearly"...
> Imagine if every bad thing USA did... people want USA to "pay dearly"...
First off, whataboutism is a logical fallacy.
Second, Afghanistan is nothing if not a bunch of people who wanted to make the US "pay dearly", even if to their personal and national detriment.
Third, there's a way for the Russians to avoid consequences: stop attacking Western digital infrastructure.
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It is easy; nations that attack other nations unprovoked are "evil" (at fault). Ukraine has never infringed on Russia's sovereignty or territorial integrity before it was attacked. Therefor this war is entirely Russia's fault. The world is mostly shades of gray. But this case it black and white.
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NATO was founded to defend against invasion from e.g. Russia, if it comes to pass. NATO has never and will never be an aggressor, see article 1 as someone pointed out.
If anything, Russia has put themselves in serious shit for invading Ukraine. If they hadn't started this, over 600.000 of their people wouldn't be dead or wounded.
How many countries has NATO invaded?
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just to be honest, the Pipelines explosion, had "Russia" written all over it, except after investigation, and a possible culprit, i.e not Russia, then nobody wanted to discuss about it anymore. I think the hysteria is too high, people are thirsty for War, looks like..
Delivery of Russian gas was stopped by Russia in violation of contract. European gas companies demands $20 billion in compensation. Nobody had incentive to blow up empty pipes except Russia. Of course, Russians used false flag as usual, to blame Ukraine, but Ukraine doesn't hide successful attacks on Russian infrastructure, because Ukraine has legal right to defend itself.
>Nobody had incentive to blow up empty pipes except Russia.
Nonsense. Biden had a great deal of incentive to destroy that pipeline.
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The whole idea that NATO is a threat to Russia is ridiculous. Read Article 1 again. https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_17120.ht... >
Do you know whether a Tomahawk missile is nuclear-tipped, or not?
No, you don't.
And neither do the Russians.
So, are you going to be so superficial when Cuba gets Kalibr's deployed?
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NATO was founded to defend against invasion from e.g. Russia, if it comes to pass. NATO has never and will never be an aggressor, see article 1 as someone pointed out. If anything, Russia has put themselves in serious shit for invading Ukraine. If they hadn't started this, over 600.000 of their people wouldn't be dead or wounded. How many countries has NATO invaded?
> NATO has never and will never be an aggressor
Not to defend the regime in power then (nor now!), but if you ask Serbia they might offer some other lived experiences on how consensual Operation Allied Force was.
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Thanks. I was trying to figure out if the news is reporting on every little anchor snag or if it is an abnormal occurrence.
Well, it's a major cable and entirely unoperational at the moment, so newsworthy irrespective of the reason.
Yeah, people seem to agree that [maybe](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42176108) latency has been affected!
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just to be honest, the Pipelines explosion, had "Russia" written all over it, except after investigation, and a possible culprit, i.e not Russia, then nobody wanted to discuss about it anymore. I think the hysteria is too high, people are thirsty for War, looks like..
Delivery of Russian gas was stopped by Russia in violation of contract. European gas companies demands $20 billion in compensation. Nobody had incentive to blow up empty pipes except Russia. Of course, Russians used false flag as usual, to blame Ukraine, but Ukraine doesn't hide successful attacks on Russian infrastructure, because Ukraine has legal right to defend itself.
> Of course, Russians used false flag as usual, to blame Ukraine, but Ukraine doesn't hide successful attacks on Russian infrastructure, because Ukraine has legal right to defend itself.
This is completely wrong. It involved German/Russian infrastructure, and if confirmed, it would rank as the worst terrorist act in the history of the FRG (Germany) since the Munich Olympic Games. In fact, it could, should, or would lead to the activation of Article 5, as one of NATO's members was attacked.
BTW from the Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream
" In June 2024 German authorities issued an arrest warrant for a Ukrainian national suspected of the sabotage.[13] "
This (in German) shed even more lights on that https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ukraine/roman-tscherwins...