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Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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>"GPGPU compute is a solved problem if you buy Nvidia hardware" Which is valid? If your problem can be solved by writing a check, then it's the easiest problem to have on the planet. Netflix didn't have to put out 3 PhD dissertations on how to improve the SOTA of live streaming, they only needed to reliably broadcast a fight for a couple hours. That is a solved problem. Amazon and Cloudflare do that for you as a serv…

Landing on Mars is a solved problem. Nuclear bombs are a solved problem. Doesn't mean anyone can just write a check and get it done and definitely doesn't mean any business model can bear that cost.

Of course it means that!

You only need a big enough check.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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The way to deal with this is to constantly do live events, and actually build organizational muscle. Not these massive one off events in an area the tech team has no experience in.

They've been doing live events since 2023. But it's hard to be prepared for something that's never been done by anyone before — a superbowl scale event, entirely viewed over the internet. The superbowl gets to offload to cable and over the air. Interestingly, I didn't have any problems with my stream. So it sounds like the bandwidth problems might be localized, perhaps by data center or ISP.

I had issues here and there but there was workarounds. Then, towards the end, the quality either auto negotiated or was forced down to accommodate the massive pull.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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The Independent reports 35m viewers of that cricket match [0]. Rolling Stone reported 120m for Tyson and Paul on Netflix [1]. These are very different numbers. 120m is Super Bowl territory. Could Hotstar handle 3-4 of those cricket matches at the same time without issue? [0] https://www.the-independent.com/sport/cricket/india-pakistan... [1] https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/jake-paul-...

Majority of superbowl viewers watch it on cable. Streaming gets fewer than 10M concurrents

Until it switches entirely to Netflix one day

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Everyone here talking like this something unique netflix had to deal with. Hotstar live streamed india va Pakistan cricket match with zero issues with all time high live viewership ever in the history of live telecast. Why would viewers paying $20 month want to think about their technical issues, they dropped the ball pure and simple. Tech already exists for this, it’s been done before even by espn, nothing new here.

The Independent reports 35m viewers of that cricket match [0]. Rolling Stone reported 120m for Tyson and Paul on Netflix [1]. These are very different numbers. 120m is Super Bowl territory. Could Hotstar handle 3-4 of those cricket matches at the same time without issue? [0] https://www.the-independent.com/sport/cricket/india-pakistan... [1] https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/jake-paul-...

The Games Awards claims to have 118 million livestreams [1], and went off without a hitch.

I watched it for the game trailers, actually shocked that it's also superbowl viewership territory.

https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/game-awards-2023-break...

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Disney HotStar managed to stream ~60M livestreams for the Cricket world cup a year ago. The problem has been solved. Livestreaming sports just have a different QoS expectations than on demand. https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/how-did-hotstar-managed-5-9-cr...

Size of Hotstar team = ~2000. Enggrs will be less than that number. https://www.linkedin.com/company/disney-hotstar/people/

The size of engineering head count is not informative, it really depends on how much is in-house and how much is external for Hotstar that would be i.e parent Disney or before Fox or staffing from IT consulting organizations who will not be on payroll.

For what it is worth, all things being equal there would be lot more non engineering in Hotstar for 2000 employees versus a streaming company of similar size or scale of users. Hotstar operates in challenging and fragmented market, India has 10+ major languages(and corresponding TV, music and movie markets) Technically there is not much difference to what Netflix or Disney has to do for i18n, however operationally each market needs separate sales, distribution and operations.

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P.S. Yes Netflix operates in more markets including India than anybody else, however if you are actually using Netflix for almost any non English content, you will know how weak their library and depth in other markets are, their usual model in most of these markets is to have few big high quality(for that market) content rather than build depth.

P.P.S. Also yes, Indian market is seeing consolidation in the sense that many releases on streaming are multiple lingual and use major stars from more than one language to draw talent ( not new, but growing in popularity as distribution becomes cheaper with streaming), however this is only seen in big banner productions as tastes are quite different in each market and can't scale for all run of the mill content.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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I have this argument a lot in tech. We should always be doing (the thing we want to do) Somme examples that always get me in trouble (or at least big heated conversations) 1. Always be building: It does not matter if code was not changed, or there has been no PRs or whatever, build it. Something in your org or infra has likely changed. My argument is "I would rather have a build failure on software that is already re…

Doing dry runs regularly makes sense, but whether actually shipping it makes sense seems context-dependent. It depends on how much you can minimize the side effects of shipping a release. Consider publishing a new version of a library: you'd be bumping the version number all the time and invalidating caches, causing downstream rebuilds, for little reason. Or if clients are lazy about updating, any two clients would b…

I like all of these considerations, although I also imagine for every context there is some frequency at which it is worthwhile to invalidate the caches to ensure that all parts of the system are still functioning as expected (including the rebuilding of the caches).

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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I thought Netflix engineers were the best and could even do mythical leetcode hards. What happened? Why are they paid half a million dollars a year?

Isn't this more of a management problem, trying to turn a not-livestream system into a livestreaming one?

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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post #563

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Disney HotStar managed to stream ~60M livestreams for the Cricket world cup a year ago. The problem has been solved. Livestreaming sports just have a different QoS expectations than on demand. https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/how-did-hotstar-managed-5-9-cr...

Size of Hotstar team = ~2000. Enggrs will be less than that number. https://www.linkedin.com/company/disney-hotstar/people/

Disney Streaming has 900 employees, a large majority of which are engineers.

This is the company that supplies technology to Hotstar, Hulu, MLB Live streaming, etc.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney_Streaming

Hotstar is a completely different company.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Landing on Mars is a solved problem. Nuclear bombs are a solved problem. Doesn't mean anyone can just write a check and get it done and definitely doesn't mean any business model can bear that cost.

Of course it means that! You only need a big enough check.

No it doesn't.

India has landed on Mars for a fraction of the cost it took other nations, and the ESA has never been able to pull it off.

Not every cost is fungible and money isn't always the limiting factor.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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merriam-webster.com/dictionary/brevity

Writing APPL instead of Apple doesn’t get you any fewer keystrokes.

Technically it’s one fewer keystroke (and it’s AAPL).

It’s a lot fewer keystrokes for MS (Morgan Stanley), GS (Goldman Sachs) and MSFT (Microsoft) than it is for AAPL, but it’s a force of habit for some. Once you’re used to referring to firms by their ticker symbols, you do it all the time.

E.g. an ex trader friend still says “spot” instead of “point” when referring to decimal points, even if talking in other contexts like software versions.

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