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Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

foldr wrote: post #200
david_allison wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My M1 MacBook is currently sitting at 46GB usage. It's not heavily under load (WebStorm, Rider, Android Studio, Chrome, Discord & Slack), not currently running an Android Emulator, LLM or Docker

The OS will use more RAM if you give it more RAM. The fact that you are currently using 46GB on an (I assume) 64GB model doesn't necessarily mean that your workload would run badly on a 32GB or 16GB model.

It's more likely to mean exactly that, because the less RAM, the more disk swapping.

At some point it becomes impossible for the OS to keep everything it wants in RAM at the same time, and then you get an orgy of disk thrashing and a potential lock-up.

This is not theoretical. I've had it happen on both Macs and Windows machines, sometimes with just a single main app running.

At best you'll get obvious delays if you switch apps, as pages get dumped to disk while other pages are loaded.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by bbkane »

jjcm wrote: post #448

Since this thread seems to be about niche asks for pro users, despite the product being targeted towards casual users who want an easy out of the box experience, I'll add my own to the mix. I'd love a bigger/better screen on these, specifically an ultrawide variety. An iMac Pro with an 8k ultrawide would be a near-instant purchase for me. I find the ultrawide form factor so good for productivity. I love the apple "it…

I tried an ultrawide, but had trouble with window management - I need to make 4+ apps visible at the same time and found that a lot easier with 2 displays and the Rectangles app

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by _mlbt »

Kirby64 wrote: post #653
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can tell they're full of shit because they can't stop tooting the green horn. It's self evident. If they made their devices repairable, easily resellable, etc. then they wouldn't have to greenwash.

I’ll bite: what about their devices is not easily resellable? Sure seems easy to factory reset basically anything Apple, and their resale values hold up a lot better than most devices.

Exactly! My iPhone 12 Mini is actually worth replacing the battery in. I could do that and still turn a profit reselling it, or continue using it for a couple more years before it actually becomes obsolete and unusable.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by lynx23 »

conradev wrote: post #600
jjtheblunt wrote: post #570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple is only "green" in their presentations - in reality they care more about inifite sales only. needs citation. I say this as someone who worked several years in engineering at Apple, and they were extremely environmentally conscientious years before it was a thing.

It's not that they actively do bad things, it's that they only dedicate real resources in the direction of self-interest. Tim Cook likes to point to their solar investments and accessibility as examples of "doing good" when in reality the former is a good long term financial bet and the latter is generally under-resourced (or "cheap" to them). They'd use M.2 SSDs in their Macs instead of soldering flash chips to the…

Funny how accessibility seems to be both. Too complex and manpower-sucking to actually fully support, and cheap, because someone need his argument to work. As a VoiceOver (blind) iOS user (since 13 years or so) I submit you are underestimating the complexity of something like shipping a screen reader for every device you put out. Yes, there are days where I hope the Accessibility Team had more resources to fix obviously long-standing issues, but that doesn't let me forget what a gracius gesture it originally was to say "Fuck ROI, we're going to be the first to do this."

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by mulletbum »

bbkane wrote: post #672
jjcm wrote: post #448

Since this thread seems to be about niche asks for pro users, despite the product being targeted towards casual users who want an easy out of the box experience, I'll add my own to the mix. I'd love a bigger/better screen on these, specifically an ultrawide variety. An iMac Pro with an 8k ultrawide would be a near-instant purchase for me. I find the ultrawide form factor so good for productivity. I love the apple "it…

I tried an ultrawide, but had trouble with window management - I need to make 4+ apps visible at the same time and found that a lot easier with 2 displays and the Rectangles app

Use Magnet with Left and Right snapping. It works perfectly fine on an ultrawide.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by lurking_swe »

bmicraft wrote: post #456
msisk6 wrote: post #440

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For a decade. That works out to $10 a month. Not a bad deal.

It's still a bad deal.

i agree on principal, but don’t forget…not everyone tries to thrift every purchase.

Some people don’t care about a $300 price difference (just an example) if they plan to keep it for 10 years. Good for them.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by reaperman »

Kirby64 wrote: post #653
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can tell they're full of shit because they can't stop tooting the green horn. It's self evident. If they made their devices repairable, easily resellable, etc. then they wouldn't have to greenwash.

I’ll bite: what about their devices is not easily resellable? Sure seems easy to factory reset basically anything Apple, and their resale values hold up a lot better than most devices.

Apple Silicon MacBook's are actually a bit difficult to truly factory reset. In a divorce I ended up with an M1 MBP that was first set up using my ex-wife's AppleID, but was primarily my laptop. Her administrator account was deleted, my AppleID was shown in all the system setting menus that I could see in the operating system, and "FindMy" on her phone at least was not tracking its location.

Two years later I updated my login password and then promptly forgot the exact punctuation of the new password. I ended up getting completely locked out of the laptop with no self-service options to fix anything.

That day I learned that you have to boot into a special mode to truly factory reset, not just delete the administrator accounts with other AppleIDs. I was able to get Apple to remotely unlock the computer for me, but only because I could "prove" it was mine by sending them the original invoice slip from store.apple.com with my name, email, and the serial number of the laptop on it.

But that invoice slip is literally a piece of paper in a box, and you can't access it yourself after 18 months - I had to call into Apple support and get them to email me a new copy because it had been longer than 18 months.

If I had purchased the laptop from someone else on craigslist 2 years prior and then got locked out, I would be completely shit-out-of-luck, because I wouldn't be able to prove I truly owned it.

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Post by tsunamifury »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #570
SurgeArrest wrote: post #530

Reading this on 2017 iMac 27" - is the first 5k iMac that couldn't be used as a monitor after the computer inside is irrelevant. I hope EU will push for some law that requires all AIO computers to work in monitor-only mode if internal hardware is no longer good enough or no longer supported by software updates. I love the 5k screen on this iMac but the CPU is too old for photo or video editing as software got so much…

> Apple is only "green" in their presentations - in reality they care more about inifite sales only. needs citation. I say this as someone who worked several years in engineering at Apple, and they were extremely environmentally conscientious years before it was a thing.

Classic apple worker, missing the forest from the trees. You were bamboozled into making your products greener while forcing customers to buy more and more of them.

Come on are you really that unaware?

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by brailsafe »

VyseofArcadia wrote: post #327

I love in Apple product announcements when they show people doing tasks that not only don't require recent hardware, but in fact could have been done without much trouble 20 or 30 years ago. Specifically talking about the ice cream spreadsheet that I suppose was there to show off how small businesses can use the new iMac. I'm sure it's a fine machine, but it does to me highlight the upgrade treadmill.

I agree, but now that I've been spending months working directly with people on kind of slow machines that occasionally present minor roadblocks to basic productivity, there is at least a little value derived from making periodic upgrades to your office or retail computers.

Most of the time that I've seen people encounter real problems, it's the result of overly arduous, or inconsistent software interfaces, rather than hardware, but it's not not worth re-investing in every half-decade or so.

If it's your personal computer, even as a layman, you'll be willing to deal with things like one might with an aging car, but if it's the computer you've been given to get work done on in front of customers, it's a different perspective. Some people will literally just stop showing up sometimes if tools aren't working for them, and they might be right to do so. Again though, it's tenuous how often this occurs for basic tasks on hardware that's within the decade.

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