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Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

Faster performance per watt means fewer watts for the same performance.

That is not lost on even casual users. It’s not that they need or want a faster phone; it’s that their existing daily runtime can be in a lighter and thinner device, or a same size device can run longer.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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The Pro variant is unusually poorly differentiated from the base model this cycle: https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/ The 13 Pro had ProMotion, 14 Pro had Dynamic Island and Always On display, the 15 Pro had USB-C and the Action Button, the 16 Pro...has maybe slightly faster AI? 4k120fps video? USB-C w/ USB 3? Not things most people would care about. ProMotion/Always On is still limited to the Pro models which is…

For me 60Hz on the base model is now a deal breaker. Even our daughter's 300 Euro A54 has a 120Hz screen (though not LTPO). Once you are used to 120Hz on a touch device, it's hard to go back (different on a relatively static computer screen, where I prefer having the high DPI of 5k 27"). So, it's iPhone Pro models until the base model gets >60Hz too.

Well. I used to think the same but I found myself got used to the 60hz display within a week again. It's true it's annoying for the first few days but you know, mankind is an adapting animal.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

#675

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

I've been working in tech for 25 years, and I'm sure I hardly use any of the new features. Camera? Click, maybe crop it or turn it into a loop if it's funny. I play some games on it. I browse some social crap on it. I occasionally tell Siri to set a reminder. That's... about it. I'm really not sure what else I'm supposed to be doing.

I use mine to measure things, replaced my measuring tape. It is also my flashlight. I use it to find my wallet and keys as they have air tags in them. Its my wallet, credit cards, hotel room key, subway/metro pass. I have an app that implements OpenAIs CLIP on my phone and can instantly search my photos thats better any other image search out there and it runs on the device.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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It's really bad even for Apple. I really expected something more than a button and riding the wave of AI introduced months ago. We can see that technologically (mostly in hardware part) Apple is slowing down and can't innovate at the speed it was before. They still had a chance to add new stuff but for some reason skipped it - Wifi 7, support for JPEG XL, more base memory/RAM... Profit margins are going down and they really struggle to make it high as before. The fact that AI will not be available in most of the markets Apple is getting money from is really concerning and will probably hurt in the long term. The best part of this event is that AI actually pushed Apple to make really significant upgrade on base models.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

#677

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

Hmm why are we assuming your girlfriend represents a majority of smartphone users though?

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Smaller notch? Touch ID? Better battery life? Faster charging? Larger default storage? Nope, let's skip all that and spend most of the event talking about video recording. Is anyone here actually excited about the features they just announced? Or are people simply upgrading because they get the latest iPhone every year or two by default?

Not really. Apple has stagnated.

People have been saying this every Apple announcement since the first iPod. It's replaced the classic "beleaguered Apple" line that was so popular in the press before they were as massive as they are now. I'm not sure an incremental iPhone update is any real proof of stagnation given that every iPhone update since probably the X which introduced face ID has been incremental, with the predictable accompanying "nothing exciting or new since Steve Jobs" commentary. And certainly one could maybe argue that the fact that every update since the X has been largely incremental is that proof that Apple has stagnated, I would offer the counter argument that no one today would pick an iPhone X over an iPhone 16 even if the X still ran the latest iOS, and when the X was released Apple was still shipping computers with intel chips and has since then successfully introduced an entirely new class of computer processors capable of competing with x86, completed its 3rd complete and relatively seamless architecture change, along with ripple effects in the non-apple world in the way of boosting interest in Windows ARM and increased focus and market access for things like the Qualcom Snapdragon Elite chips. So while they may have slowed down some, I think going from the first A4 series chip in 2010 to an entire industry changing desktop class processor series in 2020 is the sort of "stagnation" I can live with.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

#679

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

> Pretty much they buy the new one when the battery of their current one runs bad, typically every 3-4 years.

The "upgrade every year" concept never made sense to me, and while I agree that a battery might be the trigger, I think a reasonable number (not all) would still upgrade every ~4-5 years.

While there's generally no single groundbreaking feature year to year, over 4-5 releases there are likely enough smaller incremental features/improvements that someone would still upgrade.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

#680

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

I notice the generational improvements in battery life and still have a practical need for them.
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