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Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Post by gunapologist99 »

donmcronald wrote: post #239
tracker1 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel an exchange tax that included loans would probably be a much better approach. Taxing seated/parked assets, especially on the very wealthy seems like a recipe for disaster. So you have to sell, or leverage the property to pay taxes. What would trying to sell billions in stock at once, or leverage hundreds of thousands of rental properties look like to the larger economy, and what would the effect be? Also, who…

> What would trying to sell billions in stock at once Let them pay their taxes with stocks. Problem solved.

Exactly -- or with a piece of their real estate! Just take a chainsaw, cut a bedroom and bathroom out, and the government gets that piece.

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Post by Denzel »

object-a wrote: post #184

It's funny because Facebook's news feed in the last couple years is unusable, filled with AI slop and clickbait. Twitter similarly requires aggressive use of block + mute to eliminate scams, clickbait, and other content I'm not interested in. I don't know if this is due to their changes in moderation policy, or if AI has overwhelmed them, but I vastly preferred the old news feeds

What's hilarious is that my business account has been suspended by Facebook's automated fraud detection no less than 4 times in the past 5 months. Every time, they send a standard automated message saying some term was violated from a list of rules that's unavailable, and then ask me to upload a "selfie" to verify my business account. A selfie, to verify... my business account where I only add or post things to do with my business. All in the name of their "crusade" to block bots and AI, which of course isn't working, but somehow people who aren't doing anything suspicious keep tripping their automated alarms.

For a company with so much money and so much sophisticated technology, it never ceases to amaze me how broken their systems are. As a software engineer it doesn't surprise me though. You start to realize that it's people and organizational problems all the way down more so than the technology.

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Post by alexander2002 »

object-a wrote: post #184

It's funny because Facebook's news feed in the last couple years is unusable, filled with AI slop and clickbait. Twitter similarly requires aggressive use of block + mute to eliminate scams, clickbait, and other content I'm not interested in. I don't know if this is due to their changes in moderation policy, or if AI has overwhelmed them, but I vastly preferred the old news feeds

same with all social media today cliche songs/cliche posts /ragebait stuff / annoying laughing sound effects

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Post by 3np »

firesteelrain wrote: post #4

It is sometimes easy to say in retrospect we shouldn’t have demoted the story. But they did and they trusted the US Administration. Facebook is international. Do they allow all speech even that which could be viewed as propaganda in the US? Who makes the ultimate call on whether it be Russian disinformation or COVID-19? We have tried many different moderation models and not all of them work. If we try the Reddit rout…

> Facebook

> Reddit

> StackOverflow

> Twitter Community Notes

These are all examples of vertically integrated corporate-run centralized platforms and therefore have inherently unilateral centralized moderation with the same sets of legal requirements regarding alignment of policies and enforcement. They are all the same model, effectively.

> Who makes the ultimate call on whether it be Russian disinformation or COVID-19?

Nobody. Hopefully.

There are moderation models which do not have these restrictions but they are inherently incompatible with these platforms.

The fediverse (ActivityPub/Mastodon/Threads/etc) is one example of a different model. I personally think it's obvious this is not a complete answer, easily observed by drama-driven defederation politics.

We need to be exploring and adopting improved moderation mechanisms and tools for networks like Nostr, BlueSky, Matrix, and keep do the same for the infrastructure layer.

Couple the recent UN convention against cybercrime[0] and the EU "SecEUrity Package"[1] with the arrest of Pavel Durov and I hope some of you reading this will wake up to the shift in relevance and urgency of the topics of decentralization and more serious use of E2EE and signatures. This includes taking a critical look at the TLS layer, PKI, and the roles of companies like CloudFlare and Akamai. I'd say a thing or two about the intertwined constriction of the financial rails, deprecation of cash, and the relevance of cryptocurrency... But let's keep that at that.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41211976 https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/07/effs-concerns-about-un...

[1]: https://www.statewatch.org/news/2024/july/police-should-have...

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Post by djur »

jpadkins wrote: post #201
kmeisthax wrote: post #157

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Tech billionaires kissing up to the far right isn't going to decrease censorship. Maybe make it more palatable to you.

a coalition that contains RFK Jr, Tulsi Gabbard and Elon Musk are now far right?

Hard to argue that Musk isn't far right at this point, and the other two are right-leaning opportunists.

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Post by swader999 »

randomdata wrote: post #605
swader999 wrote: post #378

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Just wait a couple years when truth becomes too difficult to discern. Fairly easy to plug up forums, science journals, YouTube etc with whatever narrative you want once AI gets a little better.

I, for one, look forward to this future where we finally get over our weird obsession with truthfulness.

We need truth to survive though. Literally.

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Post by dom96 »

this_user wrote: post #321
kjkjadksj wrote: post #246

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Well when you have over 100m in assets in your pile of gold in the dragon lair, its time to be extractive.

Nobody with assets over 100m has a "pile of gold", as you put it. Those assets are always productively invested in some form or another. But you would prefer that those investments be pulled, because the government are clearly much better at employing those assets productively?

100m is more than enough for any one person

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Post by swader999 »

Volundr wrote: post #492
swader999 wrote: post #371

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There are only a few hundred genuine flat earthers. They aren't a problem. It's more of a problem to tag anyone raising questions that threaten the status quo as 'like those flat earthers'.

> There are only a few hundred genuine flat earthers. How true is this? To me this has the same feeling as people dismissing Trump as a joke candidate back in 2016. People dismissing opinions that can't get behind as 'trolling". I don't doubt some just trolling but I have the sinking feeling that if we could metric it we'd be pretty dismayed at how many are not.

We probably can't agree on a number. But I think it's obvious that they'll never be large enough in modern times to affect anything besides a niche message board in some corner of the Internet.
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