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The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by mtsr »

habosa wrote: post #669
vishnugupta wrote: post #101

One big change I've noticed between growing up in a small town and now where I'm in my mid 40s in a big metro city in India is increased "transactional" nature of interactions of my daily life. Back then we had a deeper ties with all those who served us by which I mean vegetable vendor, carpenter, doctor, knife sharpener, cloth shop, grocer, baker and so on. Whenever we interacted with them it would be a small chit-c…

Those of us who worked for tech companies trying to make “Uber for X” really accelerated this. Having an app for everything makes life a series of impersonal transactions.

During the early days of the “sharing economy” trend, there was actually plenty focus on connecting people.

But at some point you need money to pay people working on these things. So you look at something that doesn’t replace the core social connection, but augments the experience. Like selling additional services such as insurance.

But it’s not easy to cover costs, especially in western countries where employees are expensive.

These days (I haven’t been part of it for a long time) I’ve noticed there are also subscriptions to be part some community, which works but of course also makes it harder to grow.

And investors who are looking for return on investment are also difficult in something that’s so sensitive to good will from users.

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Post by paulryanrogers »

svieira wrote: post #560
paulryanrogers wrote: post #532

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Ah yes, I "wanted to" think of hell as a lake of eternal fire that most of humanity, likely myself included, would be thrown into and gawked at by the virtuous. Certainly had nothing to do with what I was indoctrinated with from birth. You realize you literally are telling us we are "just doing it wrong"? Worse, that we're doing it wrong because we want to ?! Hell is a fantasy that causes more mental illness than any…

"Fall into" was a reference to the act of choosing "something other than God" in a permanent way (that is, "fall into Hell") not the act of being afraid of punishment (that is "fall into fear of Hell"). I am sorry that you have had to deal with such a fear!

I 'chose' God for decades until it became clear he/she/it doesn't exist any more than santa, the toothfairy, and leprechauns. So until there is some evidence besides vibes and evidence-free testimony, I'm choosing to believe there is no God.

Thankfully beliefs aren't permanent, or I'd still be anxious and miserable. Perhaps you should not permanently choose a god who has caused so much harm for no benefit.

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theossuary wrote: post #561
parineum wrote: post #559

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Capitalism isn't a person, it doesn't want things. The problem with people that talk about capitalism the way you do is that they mistake human nature for the system that was built around it so when they try to change the system, the people are maladapted and transgress against it by default then it fails miserably.

No, the issue is pedantic people like you who can't understand that "want" is a simple way of saying that a system is biased towards certain outcomes. Capitalism is not an expression of human nature, it's a single possible pareto equilibrium. To say otherwise ignores huge swaths of humans history, and many modern nations which have achieved equilibrium in different ways.

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Post by colechristensen »

ZoomerCretin wrote: post #442
colechristensen wrote: post #329

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This isn't new, by the way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowling_Alone A book published in 2000 based on an essay from 1995. I remember my sister took a university course on it. The Internet only replaced social interactions for a tiny group of enthusiasts at that point and "phones" were the size of small briefcases and were novelties in cars at that point (1995). Declining socialization has been happening for _deca…

Yes, overly focused on smartphones, and underfocused on car-centric city planning: https://images.fastcompany.com/image/upload/w_768,f_auto,q_a... https://www.fastcompany.com/90653986/traffic-devastates-loca... As we've become richer, we've bought more cars, we drive them more often, and to further locations. The amount of vehicle traffic and parked cars in neighborhoods have long exceeded the limit for how much you…

>This is why children can't go outside unsupervised anymore: there are too many cars, going too fast, and too many parked cars that are too good at hiding children about to run into the road.

This really isn't it. People think their kids are going to get murdered/kidnapped/assaulted. "It's 10PM, do you know where your children are?" was a local news promo. You had "news magazine" TV shows designed to frighten parents which were just tragedy porn for attention.

"My kid is going to get hit by a car" isn't why kids don't go out and play any more, it's the news manipulating culture for decades.

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BeFlatXIII wrote: post #661
scruple wrote: post #311

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The church that I was raised in and grew up in for the first 18 years of my life... I became a militant atheist when I left that church at 18, close to 30 years ago. In my 30s, I started to drift between Zen Buddhism, Druidry, wicca, paganism, looked into Daoism, and on and on it went. And I finally realized, quite recently, that I had a God-shaped hole running right through the center of me. I still haven't quite fi…

I (somewhat unknowingly) spent several months of immersion in a Hindu monastery. At least in the branch they practiced, they were very clear that your internal beliefs on the theology were far less important than doing the practices that will bring you benefits in this very lifetime—no need to reincarnate to enjoy your positive karma. Christianity puts too much emphasis on belief and not enough on rituals & practices…

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Post by pfannkuchen »

AftHurrahWinch wrote: post #219
pfannkuchen wrote: post #205

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Have you considered using hearing aids?

Yes, I've tried two different hearing aids, and they were both worse than useless. They often amplified the wrong voices in the crowd, and not even consistently. It was like listening to the radio and having someone constantly changing stations. If you've got a recommendation for one that is able to identify which voice in the crowd I want amplified, I'd appreciate it!

I don’t have first hand experience, I just know someone who described a similar problem and then raved to me once they got hearing aids about how life changing they were for that problem.

It sounds like yours were trying to actively amplify certain voices? I wonder if that’s sounds good but doesn’t work sort of feature. Naively it seems like just shifting the volume on everything should work as long as the frequency curve matches the lost frequencies. The brain is what is separating the voices, not the ears.

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Post by Nasrudith »

Nextgrid wrote: post #649
TbobbyZ wrote: post #201

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Money is now our God.

Money is just a means of exchange. But basic human rights such as housing now being monetized and rented out and/or used as an investment means the endless pursuit of money is now mandatory to survive.

Now? How did you think housing work for millennia? It not being monetized before is a cold comfort when your labor and agricultural products are taxed directly instead.

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Post by Dalewyn »

somerandomqaguy wrote: post #651
Dalewyn wrote: post #597

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Simple: A man's rights end where another man's rights begin. To use your example, the slave owner's right to pursuit of happiness ends where the slaves' rights to liberty and pursuit of happiness begin. A would-be slave owner cannot and should not violate another man's (a would-be slave's) right to liberty and pursuit of happiness. Going back to the subject of marriage, my right to liberty ends where my would-be wife…

>To use your example, the slave owner's right to pursuit of happiness ends where the slaves' rights to liberty and pursuit of happiness begin. A would-be slave owner cannot and should not violate another man's (a would-be slave's) right to liberty and pursuit of happiness Except you've chosen to violate the owners right to happiness by attempting to place limitations on the rights that were so called inalienable. Wha…

Two rights colliding is essentially an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object. The two can not (should not) violate each other, thus one's rights end where another's begins.

Governments are also tasked with guaranteeing those rights, and those who violate another's rights are deprived of their rights as mandated by laws.

For example, a murderer (violator of another's right to life) is imprisoned (deprived of his right to liberty) and possibly even executed (deprived of his right to life).

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Post by Dalewyn »

edem wrote: post #614
Dalewyn wrote: post #538

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First the axiom so we're all on the same page: I truly and wholeheartedly agree with and believe in the notion that life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness are unalienable rights. Marriage is many things, but chief among them is that marriage is an inevitable compromise of each others' liberties and therein lies the violation. Who am I to compromise my would-be wife's unalienable right to liberty? Who is my would-be…

So... you're part of a suicide cult basically.

The fact that I have no interest in violating human rights or propagating life have nothing to do with whether I am suicidal (which I am not).

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Post by gregorymichael »

vishnugupta wrote: post #101

One big change I've noticed between growing up in a small town and now where I'm in my mid 40s in a big metro city in India is increased "transactional" nature of interactions of my daily life. Back then we had a deeper ties with all those who served us by which I mean vegetable vendor, carpenter, doctor, knife sharpener, cloth shop, grocer, baker and so on. Whenever we interacted with them it would be a small chit-c…

Yes! We just moved out of Carroll Gardens, Brooklyn and my biggest lament was losing this type of community. Wrote about it here: https://baugues.com/last-days-nyc
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