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Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by maxsilver »

romanhn wrote: post #656
maxsilver wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Quest is insanely good, for a single person in isolation, once it's up and running . But there's a ton of friction that shouldn't exist before that happens, and Meta hasn't nailed most of the UX here yet. For example: - App sharing / libraries doesn't work properly yet. (The owner has to secretly log in to each individual app themselves, before anyone else can use it on the device. There is no documentation infor…

> Screen sharing doesn't work, at all This is definitely not true. The Meta Quest app can connect to a headset and show what the player is seeing, both video and audio. Been watching my kid play various games for years. Also not sure what state reset you're talking about. I've definitely grabbed the headset from another person and continued with the game.

> The Meta Quest app can connect to a headset and show what the player is seeing, both video and audio. Been watching my kid play various games for years.

You don’t have your kid on a child account, you have your kid using an adult account. Child accounts can’t screen share —- it’s acknowledged in the Quest FAQ - https://www.meta.com/help/quest/articles/in-vr-experiences/o... “only the primary account can cast”

> Not sure what state reset you’re talking about.

Setup a child account. Let your kid login. Have the kid take the headset off. Congrats, everything just got killed, and it’s now PIN-locked to the adult account. When the adult types in a PIN, it trashes the child’s session, and starts an Adult session.

(We work around this by gently holding the face sensor with a finger while moving the headset around between people, to trick the headset into thinking it’s still being worn -— but this is ridiculously broken, no one should have to do that just to get it to work)

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by BlueFalconHD »

meiraleal wrote: post #573
ThinkBeat wrote: post #542

As usual I get quite hopeful when I hear about a new operating system. We so absolutely need paths to move away from what we have today. I didn't even know what "mixed reality operating system" was so that made me hopeful. May include some nifty quantum processing. Alas, it is just stuff built on top of Android, which is built on top of the Linux kernel. Perhaps "Meta Horizon SDK for Android" would be a better label?…

> Perhaps "Meta Horizon SDK for Android" would be a better label?` Yes, the same as Android SDK for Linux. But it became just Android.

What about "Meta Horizon SDK for Android SDK for Linux?"

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Post by wvenable »

woopsn wrote: post #646
wvenable wrote: post #532

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Migrate to the cloud has specific meanings. How would you even adequately define it using "outsourcing"? That's just one part of it.

We outsourced our CRM system last year to a certain company. Or you could say we migrated it to the cloud. Either way we had to audit data policies, establish contracts with them, transfer data to them, ensure the same functionality and workflows were replicated, look at the quality and reliability of their system, assign points of contact, make redundant some roles within our company, etc... Many of the things you a…

It's funny that you have trouble with term "cloud" but you're okay with an equally made up marketing term called "outsourcing".

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Post by luma »

Sounds like MS ditching Windows MR has left an opportunity in the market for Meta. The OEMs listed all previously made MR headsets and presumably needed a new solution.

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Post by m463 »

hooloovoo_zoo wrote: post #627
w10-1 wrote: post #549

If hardware manufacturers actually wanted this, Meta would be announcing a licensing deal. This is a threat to Apple: if Apple doesn't relent on advertising/privacy in VisionOS, then Meta will do to VR what Google did for smartphone's: sell the market to maintain advertising access. Meta doesn't care about money or mindshare on VR. They just want ad access.

Apple and to a lesser extent Google have high trust. Nobody trusts Meta at all. So who would adopt their OS?

I think apple has high trust only because they repeat their message all the time.

However, just buy an apple device and try to use it. You cannot use it without apple allowing it. You must connect to apple and activate your device. And as part of activation, you get a chance to read apple's privacy policy. Literally thousands of pages of privacy policy without the ability to DO anything, like say "No". And everything in the os phones home, continuously.

If you are a european and disable location services, and use a european vpn, apple still won't let you use the european app store because the phone knows your location. sigh.

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Post by m463 »

999900000999 wrote: post #4

This is awesome, I'm waiting for a VR manufacturer to add an HDMI input. Then I could use it as a monitor without jumping through a bunch of hoops.

Hmmm... I wonder if FPV goggles (from drones) could do what you want? lots of them have HDMI inputs...

https://oscarliang.com/fpv-goggles/

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Post by m463 »

jsheard wrote: post #11
999900000999 wrote: post #4

This is awesome, I'm waiting for a VR manufacturer to add an HDMI input. Then I could use it as a monitor without jumping through a bunch of hoops.

The XREAL glasses are trying to fill the niche of a headset that just mirrors a HDMI input on a big virtual screen. I don't think anyone is currently making an all-purpose VR headset which can also do HDMI mirroring though.

I thought about getting some xreal glasses, but I think you have to activate them to use them, which annoys me.

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Post by romanhn »

maxsilver wrote: post #671
romanhn wrote: post #656

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> Screen sharing doesn't work, at all This is definitely not true. The Meta Quest app can connect to a headset and show what the player is seeing, both video and audio. Been watching my kid play various games for years. Also not sure what state reset you're talking about. I've definitely grabbed the headset from another person and continued with the game.

> The Meta Quest app can connect to a headset and show what the player is seeing, both video and audio. Been watching my kid play various games for years. You don’t have your kid on a child account, you have your kid using an adult account. Child accounts can’t screen share —- it’s acknowledged in the Quest FAQ - https://www.meta.com/help/quest/articles/in-vr-experiences/o... “only the primary account can cast” > Not…

Oof, that sounds rough. You're right, I'm just sharing my own account and haven't seen these issues.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by BlueFalconHD »

woopsn wrote: post #365
creativenolo wrote: post #264

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Typically “mixed reality” is used to mean mixing your vision with virtual content. Whereas, “augmented reality” has typically meant displaying a live video feed on a single screen. They are two quite different experiences and use cases. Once both are common it would make sense to call both augmented reality but I haven’t heard any better terms for describing the difference to people yet.

"Mixed" versus "augmented" reality have no real meaning, which is why there is confusion about which of the two modalities you're referring to. My question is why avoid the terms overlay, superposition, display and even vision? Why instead purport to have altered reality? Traditionally in aviation and the military they said "heads up display", because they can't afford to be obtuse. The display allows the pilot liter…

x mixed with y = join any combination of x and y based on some condition within x and y x augmented by y = change part of x by adding y

x = real world y = virtual world

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