I feel Apple is on panic mode trying to find a way to avoid opening up.
They will most likely lose.
Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU
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Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU
#672It's the big apps and vendors I want to have protection against. My negotiation position towards Facebook etc. is very weak. This is why I like when Apple is putting certain limits for them. With smaller apps I don't have this problem. There's typically plenty to choose from. If I don't like the policies of one, then I can go for something else.
These limits are and should be placed by the operating system.
Android has sideloading yet Facebook still uses the official store.
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#673Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, this evolved naturally. The TI calculators were progamable, my brother used those. Then the pocket pcs (windows ce) had 3rd party programs, those were distributed as files by the publisher. Program stores were webpages were people sold their files. I used the skyscape medical books; you installed the program as usual, then you bought a code specific for your version and file. All that done through a webpa…
> For your safety, of course. I know they have ulterior motives for their walled garden, but this is a product of said garden. The App Store is by far much safer to use than Google's Play Store. Plus the parental controls on android are essentially non-existent. I'm happy in this walled garden.
The premise of a walled garden is to keep unwanted things out, not to imprison you inside. Apple maintaining a store where they've vetted everything in it is fine, and if you like you can refuse to install anything from outside of it.
That doesn't justify them prohibiting you from installing anything from outside of it. It should be up to you.
If you wanted to, you could even configure your phone to not add any new stores without a factory wipe. But maybe first you want to add in the repositories that have only free and open source software, or the stores of some respected game publishers who offer lower prices if you use their own stores for their games. And maybe the existence of these stores would encourage Apple to charge lower fees, and then you benefit from the lower fees even if you choose never to install anything from those stores, since your option to exerts competitive pressure on the stores(s) you are willing to use.
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#674Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, this evolved naturally. The TI calculators were progamable, my brother used those. Then the pocket pcs (windows ce) had 3rd party programs, those were distributed as files by the publisher. Program stores were webpages were people sold their files. I used the skyscape medical books; you installed the program as usual, then you bought a code specific for your version and file. All that done through a webpa…
> For your safety, of course. I know they have ulterior motives for their walled garden, but this is a product of said garden. The App Store is by far much safer to use than Google's Play Store. Plus the parental controls on android are essentially non-existent. I'm happy in this walled garden.
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That would be great! I'd love to just be able to make and app and let Iphone users get it, without Apple having any business in it.
I would love that. I have recently tried downloading a few apps for different reasons and every single all is locked away, for any useful features, behind in app purchases. I remember the days back when iPhone first came out you could find apps and no such thing as purchasing features. It dawned on me that my iPhone is a pretty shitty platform unlike my Pc where I can download many free open source projects made by p…
This reminds me of my tragicomic experience trying to install a calculator on my work iPad.
First one I tried had ads.
Second one required making an account.
Third one had some features reserved for the paid version (e.g. factorial).
Then more adware and other crap.
After 20 minutes I gave up and used pen and paper.
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#676Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks for your comment. Maybe I’m wrong in that part. Your link sadly doesn’t work and shows an 404. I’m a little confused because the Wikipedia says: AT&T itself recommended a divestiture structure in which it would be broken up into regional subsidiaries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._AT%26T_(1982)
the link is working for me. it's showing a court opinion
Still :(
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#677Earlier quoted context omitted.
So they should be forced to develop the SDK and the dev tools for free and provide that support for free? I mean it would be very nice of them to do so, but legally forcing them to do it? I don't know about that. It is a shortsighted "solution".
The SDK is paid for when purchasing the phone. Same as with Mac OS, OS X, DOS, Windows, Android, Blackberry, ChromeOS and every other OS out there. It's not shortsighted, it's worked well for the past 50 years or so.
and for advanced developer tooling you can charge. This is what MS does. Visual Studio (not Code) is not free for businesses.
One can still do C# development using only Windows SDK and/or dotnet SDK for "free".
You cannot do C/C++ or Rust developement without a license but with MinGW you also can do it without MS SDK. MS doesn't prevent people from using GCC compilers. Their core C++ developers even use it: https://nuwen.net/mingw.html
Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU
#678I just want to be able to install my own apps on my own device without paying $99/year (and with a signature that lasts a reasonable amount of time). Sadly, this doesn't seem to allow for that.
I'd even be willing to pay the $99 a year, I just want the signature to last longer than a week, ideally forever. For years when I don't feel like updating the app, I won't pay the developer membership fee.
Uh, don't the $99/year certs give you signatures that last like a year?
Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU
#679> Alternative app marketplaces. Marketplaces can choose to offer a catalog of apps solely from the developer of the marketplace. How does that count as a "marketplace"? > Web Distribution ... will let authorized developers distribute their iOS apps to EU users directly from a website owned by the developer All of this just makes it crystal clear what Apple's goal is: to prevent competition. It's not about security li…
debating about how they run the store is totally valid, but there being only one store absolutely does make iOS safer overall
Having only one website would also make the web safer. But it would also be super lame. Is that a trade you would make?
Why would we want freedom to self publish on the web but not in mobile apps?
Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU
#680Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, this evolved naturally. The TI calculators were progamable, my brother used those. Then the pocket pcs (windows ce) had 3rd party programs, those were distributed as files by the publisher. Program stores were webpages were people sold their files. I used the skyscape medical books; you installed the program as usual, then you bought a code specific for your version and file. All that done through a webpa…
> For your safety, of course. I know they have ulterior motives for their walled garden, but this is a product of said garden. The App Store is by far much safer to use than Google's Play Store. Plus the parental controls on android are essentially non-existent. I'm happy in this walled garden.
Have you tried parental controls on Android or are you just taking out of the side of your mouth? I have parental controls for my kids android devices and it works exceptionally well. I am not dissing the apple version because I have not used it, and based on your comment I have to assume you have not used the android parent controls and are just needing to convince yourself that apple are better and the apple premium you are paying is worth it.
Spoiler: it isn't.