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Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by mise_en_place » Thu, Feb 08, 2024, 8:01 PM UTC

It’s hilarious to see Google dethroned from the AI/ML field. All scrappy startups eventually become slow monolithic incumbents.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by scudsworth » Thu, Feb 08, 2024, 8:02 PM UTC

wow. it can even caption a photograph of my dog for me.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by firejake308 » Thu, Feb 08, 2024, 8:02 PM UTC

ipsum2 wrote: post #82

In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times abo…

For medical topics, I recommend Anthropic Claude. Don't want to jinx it, but so far, I've been able to get actually helpful medical information from Claude where ChatGPT just says "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that"

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by oakashes » Thu, Feb 08, 2024, 8:03 PM UTC

zooq_ai wrote: post #327

ipsum2 wrote: post #82

In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times abo…

Also as time goes by, it'll get smoothly integrated into docs/gmail/maps/calendar/youtube/search/colab/sheets/android/assistant So Gemini could by your one-stop AI shop for everything. Only Microsoft can match it (but Microsoft doesn't have a popular maps, youtube, mail, smartphone OS service). Apple is another strong player (but they don't have productivity tools like docs, sheets or youtube). It really is Google's…

I agree that Google is well-positioned, but they were also well-positioned to take advantage of these synergies with Google Assistant for many years and I would say that that did not meaningfully materialize in a way that was helpful to me as an Android and Google ecosystem user.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Feb 08, 2024, 8:06 PM UTC

kevinmchugh wrote: post #594

ipsum2 wrote: post #82

In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times abo…

On logic it cannot handle the Dumb Monty Hall problem at all: https://g.co/gemini/share/33c5fb45738f

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Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by wahnfrieden » Thu, Feb 08, 2024, 8:07 PM UTC

a_wild_dandan wrote: post #663

TillE wrote: post #644

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure "Bard" was primarily a Shakespeare reference (The Bard of Avon, frequently just The Bard), and I liked it too. An appropriate name for a technology that's all about language. Gemini sounds cool and sci-fi though, and maybe it's a bit easier to localize since it's just straight Latin.

To me, bard just sounds phonetically gross. Reminds me of “fart” or “beard.” It calls to mind medieval stuff: the Monte Python mud scene, Skyrim’s most annoying NPCs, plucking lutes. But Gemini? That sounds like a legendary space mission; this collective engineering push against the boundaries of human knowledge. I do not have refined tastes. My b.

Barti the only bard to me

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by anonymouskimmer » Thu, Feb 08, 2024, 8:07 PM UTC

happytiger wrote: post #658

gnicholas wrote: post #630

I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

Gemeni, or the twins, is a deeply symbolic name for anyone who knows Greek history. It’s the story of Castor and Pollux, and in many versions of the story one brother killed the other only to beg for them to come back. It’s ominous to use this brand name for AI. It’s also associated to the Gemini killer and Joseph Testa and Anthony Senter who were famous as the mafia’s Gemini twins hitmen. I think better brands could…

For me it's associated with Gemini crypto and their horrible Gemini Earn investments in Genesis: https://www.web3isgoinggreat.com/?id=gemini-genesis-and-dcg-...

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by stan_kirdey » Thu, Feb 08, 2024, 8:08 PM UTC

I've been testing Ultra model today and comparing it to open source Mixtral MOE on HF chat. Gemini Ultra lost in every instance to the free open source model, including code generation. I think the tasks I do with the help of LLMs are common, and Gemini Ultra is unusable at the moment.

Gemini refuses to answer or perform even on the simple prompts.

I hope Google team can make it better, but at the moment, for my light coding and text analysis use cases it is not worth $19.99

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by happytiger » Thu, Feb 08, 2024, 8:10 PM UTC

closewith wrote: post #661

happytiger wrote: post #658

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gemeni, or the twins, is a deeply symbolic name for anyone who knows Greek history. It’s the story of Castor and Pollux, and in many versions of the story one brother killed the other only to beg for them to come back. It’s ominous to use this brand name for AI. It’s also associated to the Gemini killer and Joseph Testa and Anthony Senter who were famous as the mafia’s Gemini twins hitmen. I think better brands could…

Gemini was a stepping stone to a moonshot, which is almost certainly why the name was chosen. Edit: another poster shared the etymology, the merger between Google Brain and DeepMind. I shall eat my words.

Perhaps. Corporate entomologies tend to be very well rehearsed stories, and I’ve been around the valley long enough to know those stories aren’t always the whole story.

I would encourage you to read the Kissinger / Schmidt book before settling your opinion.

That origin story may be true. But it doesn’t make the whole story necessarily.

https://time.com/6113393/eric-schmidt-henry-kissinger-ai-boo...

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by downWidOutaFite » Thu, Feb 08, 2024, 8:10 PM UTC

Only a few product names, so easy to understand

  - Bard
  - Gemini
  - Pro 1.0 model
  - Gemini Advanced
  - Ultra 1.0
  - Google One AI Premium Plan
  - Gmail, Docs, Slides, Sheets
  - Google app on iOS
  - Gemini app
  - Google Assistant