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Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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So people now need a special instructions on how to use a particular model of a car. F*cking amazing

For most cars I'd say it was ridiculous, but Teslas are a class apart.

Indeed. The last car I drove with such terrible handling and body Rolle was a 1984 FJ Cruiser. They certainly are a class apart.

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I feel like rental cars are one of the worst places for the current generation of EVs. This was my recent experience. I was offered an EV car as a rental upgrade in a major city because the local rental place didn't have an EV charger. I figured what the hell because it was a relaxed holiday vacation. Turns out that was a hilariously bad idea. Ended up spending at least 5-6 hours of my week vacation trying to avoid t…

> ... trying to find chargers with the right plug, ones that aren't broken, ones that were available, downloading various apps, etc. Then when I did find a charger I sat in the parking lot waiting for it to juice up. These considerations are why I think we'll eventually move to battery swapping, when the market is mature enough to have standards for batteries. When there are as many battery swapping stations as there…

My wife and many millions of others will not be lifting any batteries.

She asks me to deal with the batteries in the TV remote.

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I feel like rental cars are one of the worst places for the current generation of EVs. This was my recent experience. I was offered an EV car as a rental upgrade in a major city because the local rental place didn't have an EV charger. I figured what the hell because it was a relaxed holiday vacation. Turns out that was a hilariously bad idea. Ended up spending at least 5-6 hours of my week vacation trying to avoid t…

Yeah - I was getting excited about having booked an EV for my Christmas holiday visiting family in the UK (with Hertz). Fortunately researching charging knocked some sense into me and I switched back to a ICE vehicle. - Even though I was staying in their house there was no way I could charge it without buying an expensive cable, or risking some cheap crap from Amazon (blow up the house or the rental car perhaps?) - E…

> Every damn thing needs an app

EU is going to require all chargers to just work with credit cards: https://www.theverge.com/23806690/eu-ev-fast-charger-60km-la...

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he regulation also requires that ad-hoc charging payments can be made via cards or contactless devices, without requiring a subscription. That should make it possible to pull over to any charging station from any network and charge your EV without first hunting for the correct app or signing up for a subscription. Operators are required to clearly list prices at their installed recharging points via “electronic means,” including wait times and availability.

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To be fair, the current generation of electronic vehicles are a terrible idea. Sure, at first sight you are not burning fossil fuel in your car so you are slowing down climate change. Plenty of studies show the life-cycle greenhouse gas emissions are significantly lower for an EV than an ICE vehicle. https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/comparative-l... Although perhaps a mere half is not what people would…

> the current generation of electronic vehicles are a terrible idea... Although perhaps a mere half is not what people would think at first when they just compare tailpipe emissions The methodolody used by IEA for that chart uses the 2021 global average grid carbon intensity to calculate its electricity generation. If you live in Iceland, Sweeden, UK, Vermont, or similar regions with highly decarbonised grids, the ma…

Critics love to also cite the resource cost for manufacturing PV modules or wind turbines to point out that green electricity isn't emissions free either but that ignores the even worse resource costs of fossil power and the continuous environmental damage from mining/drilling the fuel.

All things considered, green energy is better than fossil and EVs are better than ICEs. Of course where we really need to go is reducing individual transport by expanding public transit infrastructure, electrified buses, trams and trains easily beat personal EVs when it comes to resource use per person.

FWIW a bigger concern than the increased energy demand from EVs is the load this puts on the grid infrastructure. But this is also very much true for rooftop PV.

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> Every damn thing needs an app (and an account and registration - fun if you don't actually live in the country in question). Seriously just put up a charger and a contactless payment reader. Imagine if every petrol pump needed an app to start? May as well go back to having to put pound coins in a meter... This actually isn't true. It is law in the UK that every public charger must have a contactless reader on it. M…

I wish the EU would do that. Driving in Germany is impossible without one of the charge cards. I really don't get why credit cards aren't mandated to work on all public chargers.

EU is doing that as well now: https://www.theverge.com/23806690/eu-ev-fast-charger-60km-la...

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The regulation also requires that ad-hoc charging payments can be made via cards or contactless devices, without requiring a subscription. That should make it possible to pull over to any charging station from any network and charge your EV without first hunting for the correct app or signing up for a subscription. Operators are required to clearly list prices at their installed recharging points via “electronic means,” including wait times and availability.

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It will take time for all chargers to convert though.

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EVs are great commuter vehicles, but they make absolutely no sense for rental cars (or pickup trucks). You pay for a rental car by the hour or day, why would you want to have a vehicle that can drive for a certain period of time and then have to sit for a significant period of time before you can use it again?

Not to mention the annoying logistics question of how Hertz would deal with EVs returned with a low charge. With gas vehicles they can happily charge you an excessive fee and spend a few minutes filling it up. With an EV they can still charge you, but the next customer may not be able to use the car for hours. I assume Hertz would ultimately have to float more unused vehicles at busy locations to cover for EVs charging after they were returned.

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These don't exist in Europe.

Rubbish. > The stations are primarily deployed in three regions: Asia Pacific (over 2,000), North America (over 2,000), and Europe (over 1,000). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Supercharger Some supercharger stations also work with other cars. I used them over Christmas with my Kia. Surprisingly they were faster and cheaper than anything else in the area.

1000 stations is nothing. Like there's more than 10000 gas stations in France alone, with just a fraction of a 1000 you won't get anywhere (or at least nowhere near as easily as with an ICE).

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> ... trying to find chargers with the right plug, ones that aren't broken, ones that were available, downloading various apps, etc. Then when I did find a charger I sat in the parking lot waiting for it to juice up. These considerations are why I think we'll eventually move to battery swapping, when the market is mature enough to have standards for batteries. When there are as many battery swapping stations as there…

I wonder if it would be easier to switch to say a part swappable battery, rather than try and make the whole thing swappable. Something smaller, but with a reasonable range, say 50 miles, might allow for a smaller ejection port on the car and possibly even light enough to handle by a person.

Batteries are still surprisingly heavy. I'm sure someone here has a more accurate lb/kWh figure, but my first gen Chevy volt can do about 35 miles on a charge and the batteries weigh several hundred pounds.

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There is exactly one Ionity charger for the whole of Greater Manchester, with the other nearest ones being more than an hour drive in two directions. Not a realistic suggestion for anyone not living in London.

There are 12 Ionity chargers in Greater Manchester, plus 18 Tesla ones. I've used both sets. You seem to be confusing home/destination chargers and rapid chargers - which is a common mistake for non-EV drivers to make. Unlike petrol, electricity comes to you.

> You seem to be confusing home/destination chargers and rapid chargers

Well, or they went to https://ionity.eu/en/network/network-status or https://www.zap-map.com/live/ looked at Manchester and it listed only one Ionity charger, "Manchester East".

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