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I think that forcing this dichotomy is part of the deliberate pro-Israel media strategy - if you despise Hamas inhumane acts, then of course you need to be pro-Israel. They want you to focus on Hamas to steer away your attention from what Israel has been doing. (this is also one of the reasons why Hamas has historically been an asset for the Israeli right)
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I suppose that these are people who do not understand Arab culture. Just recently (as in, I remember it was October 22 because I had an appointment in Beersheba that day) an Arab explained to me, more or less because the conversation was not in English, that "You Jews always argue and protest and fight with each other. We don't do that, we listen to our fathers. We have families". He was explaining to me how the diff…
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> Sadly, I think we are going to continue with the one state with Apartheid The situation is not like Apartheid in South Africa. In Apartheid, the white minority controlled South Africa, and did things like denying the black majority the vote. In contrast, Israel has a ~20% Arab minority (excluding Gaza and West Bank). The rights of that minority are respected. Arabs can vote in Israel, and in fact there is an Arab p…
> In contrast, Israel has a ~20% Arab minority (excluding Gaza and West Bank). I'm reminded of an anecdote (probably false) of when someone was asked in an interview why all manhole covers are round. He replied that not all manhole covers are round. They countered "Well, just consider the round ones".
West Bank is more complicated, but the same concept applies.
If Israel was motivated by racist or other tendencies to want to impose apartheid, they would start with the areas they have full control over. Why would they allow Arab voting if they are trying to impose apartheid?
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It's one of very very few issues where America and most of the west have stood firmly in support of violence and oppression for decades, even on issues like settlements where the US formally acknowledges the illegality and takes no action. Of course people care primarily about the actions of their own democratically elected government, that's the whole point. There's no need to protest when people agree with their go…
Settlements are of course wrong, but I don't really see any concrete action that Israel could take other than removing settlements. Even if they did that the fundamental facts on the ground wouldn't change. I don't see how they lift the blockade and any 2 state solution seems a nonstarter.
When Russia does this on Ukraine, we call them war criminals but when Israel does it on Palestinians we call it business as usual.
The idea of military revenge doesn’t get us anywhere.
Defense is the best offense. Little gains the world made in Middle East stability have now been reversed for decades.
As technology progresses, the drones and missiles will become cheaper and more destructive.
An eye for an eye makes the world blind.
I really wished US provided weapons based on condition of only making precise targeted attacks for specific terrorists.
That means our a big chunk of $800B defense money, funded by our tax money is used to obliterate civilians in Gaza. That makes me sad.
It’s likely this turns into another Afghanistan multi decade war with trillions spent and nothing to show for it. The only winners are defense contractors.
US could have played peace maker role. Be the party to stop missiles flying everywhere. Provided humanitarian and medical aid.
Demilitarize and deescalate.
The current strategy of destroying hamas by destroying Gaza and its inhabitants is pretty stupid.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
There are about 1.8 Billion Muslims on planet earth. There are about 15 Million Jews on the planet. There are about 120 Muslims for every Jewish person. In Israel there are about 7 million Jews. The anti Israel propaganda and blatant lies on social media is sickening. To someone who knows what's on the ground, reading countless 100% false posts from many (not all!) Muslims and Palestinian supporters is downright scar…
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> equally abohorrent Comparing it to the Ukraine's invasion and we can see this is so much more "invasive". There's a literal wall around 2M ppl with little agency, while most of them are refugees from the other side of the wall. To methis is one of the most abohorrent conflicts in earth in this day and age. Given South Africa is no longer segregated, and Rwanda reconciled. I'd be interested to hear what's equally ab…
Gaza has been pseudo self governed since 2005, and is ruled by an authoritarian theocratic regime. The situation was intolerable on 10/6 but understood. What exactly should israel do after the 10/7 attacks. To me attempting to degrade Hamas is what any other state would do. War in one of the most densely populated places on earth is going to kill a lot of people. The only other option it would seem to me would be to…
Consider what the Israeli response might have looked like if they didn't have access to the munitions that they do (2000 pound bombs, etc). Likely they would have still invaded Gaza and fought a very bloody battle but with many fewer innocents killed at the expense of more of their own soldiers.
Essentially, Israel has made the judgement that the lives of their soldiers are (many times) more important than those of innocent people.
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> perhaps because there has always been a powerful campaign to equate any criticism of Israel to antisemitism. That is the #1 tactic used to build smearing campaigns against people critic of Israel. The difference between being a racist and expressing disgust for what Israel has done in decades to the people of Gaza and the West Bank is so huge that either people using the word "antisemite" in that context are deeply…
>To my knowledge, most journalists and/or politicians aren't that ignorant. Then you have not been paying attention. Add this fact to your knowledge: US Republicans really ARE that ignorant. They certainly have an agenda, but they are most certainly ignorant to have such an idiotic agenda, too. House Declares Anti-Zionism Is Antisemitism, Dividing Democrats https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/05/world/middleeast/house-an…
Both of my senators are active Mormons. There is a deep connection between Zionism and Mormonism that I would rather not spend the time exploring here.
A significant part of the United States' support for Israel is founded on religious preference. Disagreement on that preference very neatly aligns to party lines.
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I suspect you ignore the history of terrorism by Irgun and the bombing of the King David Hotel, which house the British military command. Menachem Begin was a key player in that attack & was extremely proud of it. Who are the modern day parties following in those footsteps? Why Likud, & Begin was a co-founder of that very party— now led by Netanyahu.
I think dang made a mistake by allowing this topic onto HN. Nothing good is going to come out of that. Begin is rolling in his grave as we speak. There is nothing between today's Likud and any historic version of that party. That's one thing. The Likud (under the leadership of Sharon, who is also rolling in his grave) is also the party that withdrew from Gaza and handed it to the Palestinian Authority, dismantling se…
Strongly disagree. There are honest debates and questions here. I am learning from them, though I’m also fact checking everything that surprises.