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Re: Gemini AI

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michaelt wrote: post #655
dontupvoteme wrote: post #452

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He's not wrong. DeepMind spends time solving big scientific / large-scale problems such as those in genetics, material science or weather forecasting, and Google has untouchable resources such as all the books they've scanned (and already won court cases about) They do make OpenAI look like kids in that regard. There is far more to technology than public facing goods/products. It's probably in part due to the cultura…

> They do make OpenAI look like kids in that regard. Nokia and Blackberry had far more phone-making experience than Apple when the iPhone launched. But if you can't bring that experience to bear, allowing you to make a better product - then you don't have a better product.

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Post by furyofantares »

nojvek wrote: post #328

One of my biggest concerns with many of these benchmarks is that it’s really hard to tell if the test data has been part of the training data. There are terabytes of data fed into the training models - entire corpus of internet, proprietary books and papers, and likely other locked Google docs that only Google has access to. It is fairly easy to build models that achieve high scores in benchmarks if the test data has…

It's really hard for us to tell if it's a part of the training set but surely Google can manage to figure that out.

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Post by brainwad »

ithkuil wrote: post #652
SeanAnderson wrote: post #340

Gemini Ultra isn't released yet and is months away still. Bard w/ Gemini Pro isn't available in Europe and isn't multi-modal, https://support.google.com/bard/answer/14294096 No public stats on Gemini Pro. (I'm wrong. Pro stats not on website, but tucked in a paper - https://storage.googleapis.com/deepmind-media/gemini/gemini_... ) I feel this is overstated hype. There is no competitor to GPT-4 being released today. I…

Why do they gate access at country level if it's about language. I live in Europe and speak English just fine. Can't they just offer it in English only until the multi-language support is ready?

Launching anything as a big tech company in Europe is an absolute nightmare. Between GDPR, DSA, DMA and in Google's case, several EC remedies, it takes months to years to get anything launched.

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Post by DrSiemer »

Until I see an actual hands on from an outside source I am not buying it. It is not clear at all how cherrypicked / conveniently edited these examples are.

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Post by spaceywilly »

pb7 wrote: post #498
mattmaroon wrote: post #456

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I do think that’s a backfire. Telling me how long you’ve been doing something isn’t that impressive if the other guy has been doing it for much less time and is better at it. It’s in fact the opposite.

Not if the little guy leveraged your inventions/research.

Echoes of Apple “leveraging” the Mouse/GUI interface from Xerox. I wonder if Google is at risk of going to way of Xerox, where they were so focused on their current business and product lineups they failed to see the potential new business lines their researchers were trying to show them.

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Post by vl »

norir wrote: post #256

This announcement makes we wonder if we are approaching a plateau in these systems. They are essentially claiming close to parity with gpt-4, not a spectacular new breakthrough. If I had something significantly better in the works, I'd either release it or hold my fire until it was ready. I wouldn't let openai drive my decision making, which is what this looks like from my perspective. Their top line claim is they ar…

Plateau is largely in hardware, next generation of accelerators with more memory will enable larger models and so on.

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Post by jackblemming »

dougmwne wrote: post #297
norir wrote: post #256

This announcement makes we wonder if we are approaching a plateau in these systems. They are essentially claiming close to parity with gpt-4, not a spectacular new breakthrough. If I had something significantly better in the works, I'd either release it or hold my fire until it was ready. I wouldn't let openai drive my decision making, which is what this looks like from my perspective. Their top line claim is they ar…

I don’t think we can declare a plateau just based on this. Actually, given that we have nothing but benchmarks and cherry picked examples, I would not be so quick to believe GPT-4V has been bested. PALM-2 was generally useless and plagued by hallucinations in my experience with Bard. It’ll be several months till Gemini Pro is even available. We also don’t know basic facts like the number of parameters or training set…

How could you possibly believe this when the improvement curve had been flattening. The biggest jumps were GPT-2 to GPT-3 and everything after that has been steady but marginal improvements. What you’re suggesting is like people in the 60s seeing us land on the moon and then thinking Star Trek warp drive must be 5 years away. Although people back in the day thought we’d all be driving flying cars right now. I guess people just have fantastical ideas of tech.

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Post by geodel »

thefourthchime wrote: post #572
bogwog wrote: post #499

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> Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly Reminds me of the Stadia reveal, where the first words out of his mouth were along the lines of "I'll admit, I'm not much of a gamer" This dude needs a new speech writer.

Dude needs a new job. He's been the Steve Balmer of Google, ruining what made them great and running the company into the ground.

LOL. He'll need new job when Google board decide to fire him. So far it does not look like happening.
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