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We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Post by JohnFen »

clnq wrote: post #405
Satam wrote: post #215

Disappointing outcome. The process has conclusively confirmed that OpenAI is in fact not open and that it is effectively controlled by Microsoft. Furthermore, the overwhelming groupthink shows there's clearly little critical thinking amongst OpenAI's employees either. It might not seem like the case right now, but I think the real disruption is just about to begin. OpenAI does not have in its DNA to win, they're too…

> OpenAI is in fact not open This meme was already dead before the recent events. Whatever the company was doing, you could say it wasn’t open enough. > a real disruptor must be brewing somewhere unnoticed, for now Why pretend OpenAI hasn’t just disrupted our way of life with GPTs in the last two years? It has been the most high profile tech innovator recently. > OpenAI does not have in its DNA to win This is so vagu…

> Why pretend OpenAI hasn’t just disrupted our way of life with GPTs in the last two years?

It hasn't disrupted mine in any way. It may do that in the future, but the future isn't here yet.

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Post by mrangle »

Satam wrote: post #215

Disappointing outcome. The process has conclusively confirmed that OpenAI is in fact not open and that it is effectively controlled by Microsoft. Furthermore, the overwhelming groupthink shows there's clearly little critical thinking amongst OpenAI's employees either. It might not seem like the case right now, but I think the real disruption is just about to begin. OpenAI does not have in its DNA to win, they're too…

>groupthink shows there's clearly little critical thinking amongst OpenAI's employees either.

So the type of employee that would get hired at OpenAi isn't likely to be skilled at critical thinking? That's doubtful. It looks to me like you dislike how things played out, gathered together some mean adjectives and "groupthink", and ended with a pessimistic prediction for their trajectry as punishment. One is left to wonder what OAI's disruptor outlook would be if the outcome of the current situation had been more pleasing.

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Post by cyanydeez »

TerrifiedMouse wrote: post #68
tomohelix wrote: post #17

So, Ilya is out of the board, but Adam is still on it. I know this will raise some eyebrows but whatever. Still though, this isn't something that will just go away with Sam back. OAI will undergo serious changes now that Sam has shown himself to be irreplaceable. Future will tell but in the long terms, I doubt we will see OAI as one of the megacorps like Facebook or Uber. They lost the trust.

The OpenAI of the past, that dabbled in random AI stuff (remember their DotA 2 bot?), is gone. OpenAI is now just a vehicle to commercialize their LLM - and everything is subservient to that goal. Discover a major flaw in GPT4? You shut your mouth. Doesn’t matter if society at large suffers for it. Altman's/Microsoft’s takeover of the former non-profit is now complete. Edit: Let this be a lesson to us all. Just becau…

Non-profit is just a poorly thought out government-ish thing.

If it's really valuable to society, it needs to be a government entity, full stop.

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Post by alentred »

eclectic29 wrote: post #196

The media and the VCs are treating Sam like some hero and savior of AI. I’m not getting it. What has he done in life and/or AI to deserve so much respect and admiration? Why don’t top researchers and scientists get equivalent (if not more) respect, admiration and support? It looks like one should strive to become product manager, not an engineer or a scientist.

> treating Sam like some hero

Recent OpenAI CEOs found themselves on the protagonist side not for their actions, but for the way they have been seemingly treated by the board. Regardless of actual actions on either side, "heroic" or not, of which the public knows very little.

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Post by drawkbox »

fidotron wrote: post #295
eclectic29 wrote: post #196

The media and the VCs are treating Sam like some hero and savior of AI. I’m not getting it. What has he done in life and/or AI to deserve so much respect and admiration? Why don’t top researchers and scientists get equivalent (if not more) respect, admiration and support? It looks like one should strive to become product manager, not an engineer or a scientist.

Unsurprisingly VCs view VCs as the highest form of life, and product managers are temporary positions taken on the way to ascending to VC status. I have said recently elsewhere SV now devalues builders but it is not just VCs/sales/product, a huge amount is devops and sre departments. They make a huge amount of noise about how all development should be free and the value is in deploying and operating the developed art…

Developers are clearly the weak link today, have given up all power over product and it is sad and why software sucks so bad. It pains the soul that value creators have let the value extractors run the show, because it is now a reality TV / circus like market where power is consolidating.

Developers and value creators with power are like an anti-trust on consolidation and concentration and they have instead turned towards authoritarianism instead of anti-authoritarianism. What happened? Many think they can still get rich, those days are over because of giving up power. Now quality of life for everyone and value creators is worse off. Everyone loses.

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Post by prepend »

eclectic29 wrote: post #196

The media and the VCs are treating Sam like some hero and savior of AI. I’m not getting it. What has he done in life and/or AI to deserve so much respect and admiration? Why don’t top researchers and scientists get equivalent (if not more) respect, admiration and support? It looks like one should strive to become product manager, not an engineer or a scientist.

I don’t get that at all.

The OpenAI board just seems irrational, immature, indecisive, and many other stupid features you don’t want in a board.

I don’t see this so much as an “Altman is amazing” outcome so much as the board is incompetent and doing incompetent things and OpenAI’s products are popular and the boards actions put this products in danger.

Not that Altman isn’t cool, I think he’s smart, but I think a similar coverage would have occurred with any other ceo who was fired for vague and seemingly random reasons on a Friday afternoon.

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Post by idrisser »

Satam wrote: post #215

Disappointing outcome. The process has conclusively confirmed that OpenAI is in fact not open and that it is effectively controlled by Microsoft. Furthermore, the overwhelming groupthink shows there's clearly little critical thinking amongst OpenAI's employees either. It might not seem like the case right now, but I think the real disruption is just about to begin. OpenAI does not have in its DNA to win, they're too…

Take a look at https://kyutai.org/ that launched last week

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Post by jmcgough »

jakey_bakey wrote: post #379
Satam wrote: post #215

Disappointing outcome. The process has conclusively confirmed that OpenAI is in fact not open and that it is effectively controlled by Microsoft. Furthermore, the overwhelming groupthink shows there's clearly little critical thinking amongst OpenAI's employees either. It might not seem like the case right now, but I think the real disruption is just about to begin. OpenAI does not have in its DNA to win, they're too…

It wasn't necessarily groupthink - there was profound pressure from team Sam to sign that petition. What's going to happen to your career when you were one of the 200 who held out initially?

> What's going to happen to your career when you were one of the 200 who held out initially?

Not to mention Roko's basilisk /s

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