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Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by SoftTalker »

mozball wrote: post #180
maxloh wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately Firefox doesn't have a good UI/UX after all. The last time I checked, multiple profiles support is somehow half-baked.

Multiple profiles is fully supported. It's just hidden behind a clunky UX. Also check out firefox containers which is to profiles what docker is to virtual machines.

Yeah, AFAIK to setup profiles you have to run:

    firefox --ProfileManager
And then to use them you have to start firefox e.g. :

    firefox -P
Very few casual users (nor even most technical users) start Firefox from a command line, and setting up shortcuts for these is also a step that most users won't do.

The support for profiles is there, it's just hard to use in the context of a GUI desktop.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by dang »

pseg134 wrote: post #261
larata_media wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with your overall ideal of free access to information but I disagree that harassment is a necessary or even effective option to push against this. I think the harassment puts us in a category of ineffective, bitter malcontents and that’s not what we are. We are capable of going to elsewhere to free and open access to information, and we would be better off spending our energy on positively influencing others…

Well we can build something too but first we need to get rid of these people.

Please don't do this here.

More explanation:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36881929

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36881081

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36881034

In addition: could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait generally? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by troupo »

tzs wrote: post #325
tolmasky wrote: post #197

Mozilla should call for Google's removal from the W3C over this implementation of Web Environment Integrity. "But Chrome has 65% market share, what good is the W3C without them?” If Google can take unilateral action to fundamentally change the basic principles of the web, then the W3C is already useless. This will give Google a clear choice: if they want to maintain the idea that the W3C matters, they should withdraw…

> If Google can take unilateral action to fundamentally change the basic principles of the web, then the W3C is already useless. This will give Google a clear choice: if they want to maintain the idea that the W3C matters, they should withdraw this implementation. It's pretty generally accepted that the correct way to do web standardization is for proponents of some new thing to implement that thing and deploy it and…

> It's pretty generally accepted that the correct way to do web standardization is for proponents of some new thing to implement that thing and deploy it and then once it has been shown to actually work bring a spec to the the standards folks for standardization.

- Behind dev flags

- And then wait for consensus

- And then there have to be at least two independent implementations

And only then does this become a standard.

Chrome doesn't care. They create a semblance of the spec, create a semblance of a discussion, and then enable it APIs in Chrome. And then pretend it's a standard.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by supazek »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #628

Is anyone else working on alternatives to this web? We're going to want something working before this one becomes a telescreen. I'm thinking: - content addressing, not server addressing (to better distribute the hosting load) - looser coupling between data itself and apps for viewing data (to prevent aesthetics from being used as a heuristic for trustworthiness) - a native permissionless annotation protocol (p2p trus…

I’ve put barely any thought into it but I think a “localnet” would be better. Your usage is entirely based on calculated geoposition and the userbase is segmented into regions based on user count. More than X0,000 users in any one region and it splits to keep things small. This would be a limitation for hosting content. If you want to send a message out to another person in a different region you’d have to make a deliberate effort to do so and it will be private such as a letter would be.

Idk if that would achieve my goals and honestly I can’t plainly state what my goals are. All I know is I get tired of privileged California snobs telling me how things should be in my back 40

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by slowmovintarget »

topshelf wrote: post #2

Disappointing to see such a 180 on 'don't be evil'. I'm recommending Mozilla Firefox to all friends and family.

I was just able to finally move my wife back to Firefox. Chrome just stopped working on her Mac. Wouldn't pull up a page. Everything else worked.

She's now happily using Firefox with a non-hobbled version of uBlock Origin.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by helen___keller »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #651
helen___keller wrote: post #393

There’s a saying, on the internet nobody knows you’re a dog. WEI is part of a broader movement to make this false - more generally to make an internet where we know you are a human staring at a screen It turns out having dogs (or more commonly programs and scripts) on the internet is not profitable and not good for business, so corporations want to take dogs off their websites by finding clever ways to attest that a…

The whole narrative about WEI "proving" you're a human is completely false (and I'd argue a ruse). It only proves you're using a sanctioned OS and browser binary. It does nothing to stop robots being wired-up to devices w/ emulated inputs. In fact, WEI will make it easier to use a robot w/ a sanctioned software stack since, hey, it's a "human" per WEI.

WEI proposal leaves open the functionality of the attester, so it’s neither correct to say this will prove requests are humans nor that it simply proves a sanctioned OS/browser.

The attester will attest whatever they want. They can evolve to match the further degradation of user freedoms.

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Post by MildRant »

prmoustache wrote: post #529
lxgr wrote: post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely you've been to shows at every possible venue to be able to extrapolate that bold of a claim from your personal experience?

No but appart from festivals (which were not relying on ticket master) I haven't seen tickets sold by only one company. Usually there are different ones and also some plain old in person in ticket office of department stores.

There are venues that are Ticketmaster specific because Ticketmaster's parent company owns the venue and some acts just use Ticketmaster because they are the most popular ticketing service. If I want to go to UFC 292 for example, I have to get my tickets through Ticketmaster. UFC isn't using some service that shows up on indiehacker

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by dang »

boondoggle16 wrote: post #347
c0l0 wrote: post #5

I feel like I have to repeat this, since so much is at stake here, where it is about the preservation of the web as we know it today, at the peril of having it turned into yet another walled garden: The only way around the dystopia this will lead to is to constantly and relentlessly shame and even harass all those involved in helping create it. The scolding in the issue tracker of that wretched "project" shall flow l…

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