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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by say_it_as_it_is »

j4pe wrote: post #20

Joe Eskenazi, the author of this piece, is a solid journalist who helps run the tiny donation-funded Mission Local. They've done incredible reporting on corruption in the SF city government and punch way above their weight in the stories they break. I have respect for how Joe refused to join in reporting this murder as evidence of a violent crime epidemic, while still reporting on homelessness and property crime.

Joe Eskenazi shared the identity of the alleged killer, potentially ruining the life/career of someone who may not have killed Bob.

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Post by lantry »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #652
zenkat wrote: post #590

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've lived in SF for almost 30 years. I agree 100%. Sure, there's a lot more sad/ugly homelessness in the post-covid era. The shantytowns out by Candlestick are depressing. The Tenderloin continues to be a mess. But do I feel less safe? Absolutely not! The neighborhoods (where most people live) are just fine. I regularly walk home from the bars at midnight without a care. It's simply not a problem. Compare back to th…

So you only feel safe because you have the means / are affluent enough to avoid crime ridden areas? That‘s not entirely fair.

Thanks for calling out privilege, but I think we should assume good faith. I don't think they were trying to say that everything is good, they're just saying the narrative isn't as simple as the media is making it look.

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Post by hindsightbias »

pentagrama wrote: post #437
j4pe wrote: post #20

Joe Eskenazi, the author of this piece, is a solid journalist who helps run the tiny donation-funded Mission Local. They've done incredible reporting on corruption in the SF city government and punch way above their weight in the stories they break. I have respect for how Joe refused to join in reporting this murder as evidence of a violent crime epidemic, while still reporting on homelessness and property crime.

I'm in doubt if is ethical journalism reveal the name and LinkedIn profile of an alleged killer, sounds like doxing to me.

I’ll go with the perp being rich and white. LinkedIn has already been deleted. No conspiracy needed.

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

cemerick wrote: post #84
nemo44x wrote: post #61

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> I wonder how likely it is that the same population will comment here to say, "I was wrong"? Sure, people were wrong in their assumption that the murder was random. At least that's how it looks now. We haven't heard the suspects side, but.... But wrong that SF has become a dangerous and mismanaged city? Murder isn't the only violent crime and a lot of crime goes unreported. People don't feel safe walking around and…

People see homelessness and open drug use and petty property crime, filter it through their ideological lens, and amplify that into feeling that they are themselves somehow less safe. You can assert that that is rational, but it's as connected to reality as someone feeling afraid when e.g. a black person is walking behind them. Saying stuff like "a lot of [violent] crime goes unreported" is straight up fanciful think…

I was assaulted twice and didn't report.

https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/San-Francisco-crime-Che...

> Rapes, robberies and assaults are still well below pre-pandemic levels, and because violent crime is generally less likely to go unreported than property crimes, it would not be inaccurate to say that general levels of violent crime are lower now than they were a few years ago.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by smsm42 »

mztwo wrote: post #22

As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

So, the lesson here is not to jump to global far-reaching conclusion based on one single case, and the reason why it is so important is because of this one single case from which we can totally make a global far-reaching conclusions...

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Post by jjtheblunt »

P_I_Staker wrote: post #567
virgildotcodes wrote: post #553

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The linked article specifically shows that violent crime in SF is at an all time low, and lower than most other comparably sized cities.

Didn't SF used to be freaking scary prior to blowing up? I've heard people talk about it like they do Miami, Baltimore, Detroit, ect. An undesirable place that washed up people ended up, riddled with crime and violence. I think I might be getting the story wrong, but I recall hearing there used to be much more crime.

you might be thinking of the pervasive non-violent crimes like people doing drugs in the bustling business and shopping districts and shitting right on the sidewalk in the same. it's long been infamous for that.

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Post by ng12 »

lantry wrote: post #672
selfmodruntime wrote: post #652

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you only feel safe because you have the means / are affluent enough to avoid crime ridden areas? That‘s not entirely fair.

Thanks for calling out privilege, but I think we should assume good faith. I don't think they were trying to say that everything is good, they're just saying the narrative isn't as simple as the media is making it look.

Depends on what media you're reading I suppose. Quite a lot of it paints SF is a city of haves and have-nots which fits nicely into the above poster's experience.

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Post by ng12 »

gcheong wrote: post #647
acchow wrote: post #470

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I imagine SF feels probably fine coming from another American city. But if you moved here from Seoul, it would be terrifying

Interestingly, during my one bar night out in Seoul on an overnight visit to change visas for Japan, some dude started a fight with someone and tried to grab a knife sitting on a table while being escorted out. The people around me didn't seem particularly horrified by that spectacle though. I lived in Tokyo for 6 years, SF feels fine coming from there.

Was it in Itaewon?

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Post by mlyle »

joemazerino wrote: post #571
virgildotcodes wrote: post #553

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The linked article specifically shows that violent crime in SF is at an all time low, and lower than most other comparably sized cities.

Not "all time low" but a 40 year low. Its easy to fuzz numbers when you start extremely high.

Possibly an all-time low. It's hard to compare numbers >40 years old, because they very possibly are not measuring the same things.

As to ease when you "start extremely high" -- SF is now safer, when it comes to violent crime, than most major cities in the US. What it does have is an extremely high rate of quality of life crime.

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Post by ashwagary »

jb3689 wrote: post #440

It’s pretty incredible to me that the whole community on the last thread was fixated on the fact that it must’ve been the homeless/drug addicts. What kind of place is it where you immediately dismiss premeditated murder, or even throw it up as 50-50?

>It’s pretty incredible to me that the whole community on the last thread was fixated on the fact that it must’ve been the homeless/drug addicts.

Completely agree, I was downvoted into oblivion last week for claiming it was possibly somebody in his circle rather than a random stanger. The assumptions made about the inhumanity of the homeless/poor is worrying.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35455096

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