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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by sbuk »

Kon5ole wrote: post #451
game_the0ry wrote: post #370

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FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

>FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. That was also true for older macs, which were cheaper. I believe that the Apple Silicon macs are the highest-margin macs Apple has ever made, since they no longer have to pay Intel for the CPUs or AMD for the GPUs. I can see no technical or logistical reason why Apple had to increase prices, and believe it is entirely driven by the idea that the market can bear it.

The money they save from buying components from Intel is sunk into development of the processors. They also have to pay for manufacturing and logistics. TSMC have also increased the cost of manufacturing by 9%. Add rampant inflation and a strong dollar into the mix, there’s your technical/logical reason.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by guestbest »

izacus wrote: post #36

I was just buying a laptop for my family and the prices of MacBooks here in Europe are utterly crazy. The crappiest 8GB RAM (?!) 256SSD M2 Air model is 1650EUR. 1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years. The 16GB model is rounded 2000EUR, which was before reserved for a high-end gaming laptops. It's bonkers.

I use a M1 with 8gb Mac mini and it is blazing fast for XCode development

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Post by howinteresting »

princevegeta89 wrote: post #439
Dalewyn wrote: post #69

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Speaking as someone who has and uses an M2 Macbook Air with 8GB RAM, I agree it's not a lot but it's more than sufficient for any use case a Macbook Air would generally see. This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum. I will say the Macbook Pro really should start from 16GB RAM and at least 1TB SSD; it's for professionals, isn't it?

A lot of developers and video editors use Macbook Air and 24GB is what is considered sufficient for them. They buy into Macbook Air for portability reasons. Windows laptops on the other hands hold incredibly well at 16GB of RAM. There are also windows laptops with the same weight as Macbook Air at half the cost and double the specs.

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Post by AlexandrB »

I've been itching to get a new MacBook (still running my trusty 2015 MBP), but the price is a killer. I like my laptop screens "as big as I can get them" and the cheapest 16" MBP is over $3000CAD while still having the same RAM and storage as my 2015.

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Post by croes »

game_the0ry wrote: post #370
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

The newer ones don't seem to be high quality. More like design over function

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32474827

And the problem with apple hardware is you barely can fix anything yourself and without Apple care it costs a lot of money because they can't replace single parts but only complete modules.

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Post by nerdjon »

mattrighetti wrote: post #255
Clubber wrote: post #157

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I bought an M1 MacBook Pro when they came out and I like it a lot. What concerns me about future revisions of the CPU is it will get hotter and the fan will get noisier. One of the best features of the M1 is the fan hardly comes on, and when it does, it's very quiet / low RPM.

I bought an M2 a couple of months ago, coming from an i9 16". Oh boy, I know what it is like to have a hot machine :sigh:. The Intel version was stuck at 70C in idle, which is nuts. I think that that was probably the main reason of the switch.

I did the exact same upgrade!

The difference is just insane from a thermal standpoint (plus then you mix in how this thing runs laps around my 16" while staying cooler).

And it isn't just the MacBook Pro line, I have a gaming laptop is horrible to use actually on my lap.

I tried pushing the new m2 MBP with some video rendering and it did not break a sweat (literally).

It does kinda feel like the bar was a bit low for the improvements going from Intel to their chips. But I do wonder what their long term plan is, I can't see needing to upgrade this machine for at least 3 years with the performance I am getting out of it. Even 3 years feels pretty soon.

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Post by alchemist1e9 »

reaperducer wrote: post #414
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #74

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> The dollar is insanely strong right now This is a bigger story that isn’t being told properly often. The recent BRICS currency move is about them panicking over increasing dollar global dominance. Checking recently I can’t find any major currency that is up against the dollar over last 10 years. US productivity is running away from the rest of the planet is another variable and with rapid on shoring of numerous ind…

That version is something the media never mentions. I've seen it a number of times since last summer. Perhaps you're reading the wrong media.

I must be then because all I ever read is that China will beat the US eventually and the dollar is being challenged. The raw numbers say the opposite best I can tell.

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Post by skyyler »

AlexandrB wrote: post #675

I've been itching to get a new MacBook (still running my trusty 2015 MBP), but the price is a killer. I like my laptop screens "as big as I can get them" and the cheapest 16" MBP is over $3000CAD while still having the same RAM and storage as my 2015.

This is also keeping me from replacing my 2015 MBP.

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Post by slaw »

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #590
wkat4242 wrote: post #435

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> AND a culture that's always willing to accommodate new people. Try getting a green card even as a trained European. Good luck :) Not that I'd ever be interested in living in the US. I prefer a country with a decent social security safety net and socialized healthcare. And where people can't just run around carrying guns. Spain is not perfect but I have way fewer things to worry about here. So I can relax and enjoy…

You are buying into a distorted image of the typical US population experience. Access to healthcare is pretty much instant and high quality for all but the very bottom of the society. 85%+ of the population can get an appointment within a day or two and if it’s urgent can access numerous urgent care clinics with almost no wait. Best I can tell for many European countries the situation is significantly worse in terms…

Very bottom of society has free healthcare. For example for WA.

https://www.hca.wa.gov/free-or-low-cost-health-care

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