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Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Please quantify access and freedoms.

Be free to post the equivalent of `Fuck Joe Biden` but about Xi or other leaders without any fear of repercussion. Be free to critique without fear of being disappeared.

This still isn't quantification of anything.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Debating the minutiae of the number of school shootings is just...sad. The total number of children who should die in school shootings should always be 0. It's not even particularly hard. Practically every country in the world manages to achieve that target.

Incorrect. Some do, many don't, unless of course you're racist and don't consider quite a bit of the developing world worth your notice. Is that the case?

The two largest developing countries in the world are China and India, both accounting for roughly 35% of the world’s population. And they’ve both reduced school shootings to either zero or close to zero.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Hi from the rest of the world! > Foreign adversaries have learned exactly how to weaponize our free and open internet against our own people. Do you think that we should ban all the Chinese apps and also all the American apps?

Possibly. But, many countries are formally US allies, with deep security integration. So an American owned application is not as threatening as a Chinese owned application. America also generally allows businesses and media from foreign companies to take part, whereas China has no such reciprocity. Security arrangements are real things that can't be merely handwaved away as something that "should" not exist in one's…

As your former president eloquently explained, "USA first" is the current US doctrine. Why should the other countries accept US influence short of not having the choice as it would have pretty deep repercussions?

The game of cutting off foreign players is a luxury only the few countries can afford right now, making it look like everybody else supports the US is disingenuous.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

Speaking at least with my background: Foreign adversaries have learned exactly how to weaponize our free and open internet against our own people. Regardless of the fact that our kids are most vulnerable, China's seemingly made a point of outsourcing their most polarizing algorithmic decisions to the rest of the world but not to their own population, which is essentially a tacit admission of their awareness of the da…

Looking at how the US reacts to a company winning at the media game, China's iron fist regarding foreign companies entering their market retroactively feels par for the course.

And it kinda signals to other countries they really should put critical effort in lowering dependence on the US and chalenging the dominance if they ever intend to thrive.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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If you believe the Senator who wrote it (up to you I guess), this doesn't meet the bar for prosecution. > Warner's office says this isn't so. Spokesperson Rachel Cohen told Newsweek that the provisions only apply when someone is "engaged in 'sabotage or subversion' of communications technology in the U.S., causing 'catastrophic effects' on U.S. critical infrastructure, or 'interfering in, or altering the result' of a…

I can't find that language in the act. It seems to apply to any violation of the act. The linked article goes over the language of the act and it seems to have the same impression thereof.

Hence why I said it was vague I'm not sure it's as concrete as the article implies but regardless of that the punishment sounds absurd.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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I think you need to study WW2 a little bit more. The Office of Censorship opening up letters to destroy pro-Nazi sentiment, and the Office of War Information buying up Disney Cartoons to show Donald Duck / Popeye / etc. as a Navy Sailor and encourage us to buy War Bonds through very overt propaganda. Free Speech comes and goes in the USA. We tend to lean towards the freer-side of things, but if we need to, we clamp d…

> Censorship is a tool. A tool best used rarely, maybe only a few times a century. But I unfortunately think we're coming to the point where we need to start using it within this decade or so. And no, not for the stupid AP African American class crap. I mean for the part that matters right now, the China-Taiwan conflict that is obviously brewing up. How about the Red Scare or Huckleberry Finn? Problem with censorship…

There's plenty of evils available to the US Government today. As some people like to point out, a government is an entity that has monopolized violence, which is an arrangement that's largely to the benefit of society (at least, in the cases where it is used correctly).

Execution, jailings, regulations, etc. etc. Plenty of ways for the government to be abused. Its inevitable that we give the government power to do what is necessary in society, whatever it is. Censorship is just one more power that the US Government has toyed with from time to time over the centuries.

To prevent abuse, we need to elect the right people to be our leaders, and the ones who wield that power.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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yeah ask how people who backed trump fared once he lost? ban from social circles, political oponents “tracking” the people who worked with him or under him so that “they never have jobs anymore”. its just one example. just like china, if you are on the bad side you don’t exist anymore. see assange.

None of this has anything to do with the government of the US but nice try.

it was literaly elected people that did the witch hunt. we just saw one again with trying to jail trump based on lies.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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I had a meeting last summer with some Americans and I jokingly said “meh, it’s a free country.” They all quickly pointed out that it wasn’t, any more. I still have family there and still visit for nearly a month out of the year. The number of people running red lights has gone up significantly the last few visits. To the point where I feel like I’m driving in Bali and not the US. People are more rude now than they us…

> I’ve had cops plant evidence in my car, I’ve been hit by trucks running red lights, I’ve gotten in a knife fight with a hobo, I’ve been shot at on the highway, I’ve been fired for no reason, I’ve gotten in a motorcycle accident that fucked me over seven ways to Sunday. Are you quite sure you're not misremembering an action movie for your own experiences? Living in America is not even remotely this exciting for most…

To be fair, those are the least crazy things I’ve had happen to me or done in my lifetime. I should write a book…

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Are you seriously suggesting that banning TikTok will significantly reduce school shootings?

I’m asking in general terms what OP thinks causes school shootings.

Kids getting pissed off and anyone able to walk into a store and buy a gun, without knowing how to use it or store it properly… but that’s just a guess.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

I don't really understand what it is about you being an expat for 5 years that gives you unique insight into this situation. Do you happen to be an expat in China, where Facebook, Youtube, Instagram, google, et al have all been banned for more than 5 years and tit for tat is long overdue? Are you also aware that the twin app Douyin bans content for domestic consumption that gets promoted in global TikTok?

I read all the comments before posting this comment. At the time, everyone was like “this is awesome!”

I expected it to get downvoted to oblivion but the whole thing made me sad and no one else seemed to feel that way, so I made this comment.

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