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There really needs to be a distinction between an actual recall (my Model S had one to change the latch on the frunk) and this type of "recall" that is nothing more than an OTA software update.
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Why? It involves a safety system! That needs to be tracked publicly and updated! Nothing more than an OTA - does not mean much when everything is fly by wire and a bug could mean your car does not stop accelerating or something.
Recall implies something being returned. This should be called a mandatory software patch, or something like that. The problem is Tesla owners repeatedly see "recall" to mean "software update", so this might lead to a lot of confusion if a physical recall is actually required in the future.
Your argument seems to be about protecting Tesla's reputation
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I strongly feel people ought to have these discussions while consistently citing actual data sources relevant to the discussion. For example, did you predict, based on the speculation of Tesla being incompetent with regard to safety, that they have the lowest probability of injury scores of any car manufacturer? Because they do. Did you predict, based on speculation about Elon Musk's incompetence in predicting that s…
This report is for Autopilot, not FSD which everyone else is talking about on HN.
The thing is we often have discussions about this stuff and I'm trying to advocate for citing datasets to more tightly correlate our words with the evidence that our words correspond to. I'm not trying to say this version shouldn't have been recalled for example, but that I think we should be close to evidence.
In the case of auto-pilot, it was the case that people made the same arguments that are now being made against FSD. I think that makes it somewhat relevant to the discussion, because people previously also made the same claims about safety, but now that we have the data, we can see those claims were wrong. I believe these sort of generalizations, though inaccurate, can help us to make more informed decisions, but I'm not really confident in any beliefs that are made at this greater decision from direct data.
So I think anyone who can provide datasets which correspond with FSD performance rather than autopilot performance ought to do so. That would be really great data to reflect on.
The thing I'm worried about is that no data at all is backing the conjectures - which, given that I sometimes see estimates that I calculate to be many orders of magnitude away from data informed estimates - seems to be the case on Hacker News at least some of the time.
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> it is making Tesla look bad Maybe Tesla should stop doing things that result in it receiving poor publicity? just a thought
Tesla should continue doing what's best to accomplish the company mission and making vehicles safer by improving automation. Why should a companies actions be dictated by PR and media news cycles?
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Why? It involves a safety system! That needs to be tracked publicly and updated! Nothing more than an OTA - does not mean much when everything is fly by wire and a bug could mean your car does not stop accelerating or something.
Recall implies something being returned. This should be called a mandatory software patch, or something like that. The problem is Tesla owners repeatedly see "recall" to mean "software update", so this might lead to a lot of confusion if a physical recall is actually required in the future.
I wish all the ink spilled on controversy over Tesla would instead be spilled on doing basic safety improvement to the road system that are cheap and proven to save many lives. Lets be real here, automated driving or not, having actually save roads helps prevent death and harm in many cases. The hyper focus on high tech software by all the agencies engaged in 'automotive security' is totally wrongly focused. What the…
If we're actually serious about this, we should get rid of roads altogether and replace them with rail tracks. That solves 95% of the automation problem anyway.
They are not serious. The rails are a great idea, along with drive-able 'rail' cars for individuals.
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Inaccuracy is inaccuracy no matter in which direction. If an outdated law made it easier for Tesla PR to spin something in a positive light, would you consider that an issue?
There's no inaccuracy here. You are arguing about an implementation detail.
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2 sources. 1. I know people working at Tesla. 2. Much more important one - Elon's Twitter feed. They're doing last minute changes, and once it compiles and passes some automated tests, it's tested internally only over few days before it's released to the customers. Even if they had world class internal testing (they don't), for something having to work in such a diverse environment like self driving system without an…
Some manufacturers hold off on newer, untested tech for years before adding that to their vehicles. This is what happens when safely is a priority. That's why I bought/will keep buying Toyota/Lexus.
https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+y/46618
Same for NHTSA:
https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2022/TESLA/MODEL%2525203/4%252...
I have a Model 3, and was excited to get the FSD beta access about a month ago. I don't use it super regularly, but it's neat. This morning I tried to turn it on, and the car immediately veered left into the oncoming lane on a straight, 2 lane road. Fortunately, there were no other vehicles nearby. I immediately turned it off in the settings, and have no intention of re-enabling.
Do you have any read of why it may have done that? I’ve driven using FSD for thousands of miles and I’ve never observed anything similar. Not trying to imply that you didn’t experience something like this, but when I see odd behavior from it, it’s always been clear to me why it misinterpreted a situation. Just wondering if there’s more context to the story.
Before this morning, I would be in exactly your shoes in terms of "this is pretty cool, I'm going to keep using it"
I have a Model 3, and was excited to get the FSD beta access about a month ago. I don't use it super regularly, but it's neat. This morning I tried to turn it on, and the car immediately veered left into the oncoming lane on a straight, 2 lane road. Fortunately, there were no other vehicles nearby. I immediately turned it off in the settings, and have no intention of re-enabling.
Are you planning to join a class action lawsuit so you can get your money back?