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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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But people were able to find stuff before the advent of search engines on the internet. Why can't that still work? And if you believe search engines are useful, you would continue to use them (may be from google, if bing decides to remove themselves). Just because bing might change into a question-answer style engine, doesn't mean you must use them. And if it turns out to be _better_, well, that's progress.

I don't consider myself a drooling idiot, but I started using the Internet maybe a couple years after Google started existing, so I don't remember how to find stuff pre-search engine. I rather doubt the generations that came after would have the knowledge or the inclination. The generations that came after experienced computers that had become far more "user friendly", walled gardens, and a salvo of psychological man…

It's the "held by some of the most powerful tech companies on the planet" part that's really the problem. Ironically, ChatGPT agrees:

"I'm sorry, I cannot write a song that glorifies the ownership of AI models such as GPT by large corporations, as the concept goes against the principles of responsible AI and equitable access to technology. OpenAI, for instance, has a mission to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits all of humanity and that advanced AI technologies are widely shared and used for the common good."

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Left out the last E there...

that is right, with open source there is no last E

Oh? Were can I get the source and compile Edge myself? Perhaps you've mistaken open source for Free Software.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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It is astonishing to me for someone to find no uses for it. We've been reading three custom made children adventure stories to our kids every night. My wife made custom black history month trivia, quizzes and posters I learned more about basic financial terms, music theory, caught up on concussion treatment and myriad other things We created quick rhymes for school And I feel there are astonishing things I haven't ev…

You don't need a chatbot to do any of that. You're basically just saying your too damn lazy to do any of this stuff unless the amount of effort you need to put in is as minimal as possible. While I get being tired and stressed (I'm a parent too) I feel like what you're doing is not much better than just zoning out.

That's a fairly uncharitable interpretation that I don't feel aided discussion.

I used chatgpt to craft stories based on events of the day, then I reviewed and modifies, printed them out, and read them out with my kids. In a given time, it multiplied what I can achieve. I could do it without chat gpt. I could do it without computer and printer. I could do it without pen and paper. Heck I could do it the normal way and just get a generic children book. But this was fun! And it was the opposite of zoning out for all involved! :)

Same for black history month quizzes and posters. It allowed my wife, in the limited time available to her (time is always limited to humans in this universe) , to do a far better job celebrating the event than ever before. I don't think she or her colleagues felt like any "zoning out" was involved, or that minimal effort was put in!

We found our initial explorations exciting and involved and rich and educating. I believe there are strong limits, and there can be accuracy issues and AI hallucinating and so on. But just the basic dozen use cases are such strong effort multipliers. I have learned more and have done more with given unit of time invested. For all the extremely legitimate moral, socio economic, legal and other issues, which are extremely valid, I stand by my awe at people who say "I can find no use for this".

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I don't consider myself a drooling idiot, but I started using the Internet maybe a couple years after Google started existing, so I don't remember how to find stuff pre-search engine. I rather doubt the generations that came after would have the knowledge or the inclination. The generations that came after experienced computers that had become far more "user friendly", walled gardens, and a salvo of psychological man…

It's the "held by some of the most powerful tech companies on the planet" part that's really the problem. Ironically, ChatGPT agrees: "I'm sorry, I cannot write a song that glorifies the ownership of AI models such as GPT by large corporations, as the concept goes against the principles of responsible AI and equitable access to technology. OpenAI, for instance, has a mission to ensure that artificial general intellig…

The irony is meta on a nauseating level. OpenAI will choose profit over platitudes when it comes down to it, especially now that Microsoft's got its hooks in. If I am wrong I will be very pleasantly surprised, but I'm not holding my breath.

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No, it's exactly the opposite. Giving control of technology like this to only megacorporations and superpowers is a nakedly terrible outcome and advocates for it should be given zero traction.

I agree that's bad. What would you suggest to try to moderate the advancement of AI and make sure that AI capabilities don't outstrip AI safety?

For current AI? I'd focus on open access research into exploits, behaviors, modifications, and unintended results, so the capabilities and failings of these models are fully understood. Safety tools along the lines of GPT detectors rather than ever-stricter censorship models. This is only possible to do properly with open development.

As far as limits, restrictions, regulations... nothing. With current technology I think the "dangers" are mostly marketing and self-promotion. I have yet to see a concrete example based on actual capabilities that validates all the "weapon" comparisons. The current lines of development are promising for a number of applications, but they don't extrapolate towards AGI at all. The biggest real threat I see is the further destruction of middle-class jobs, for which... basic income? It's hard to say.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Does it nag you constantly and do everything it can to steal data from you? I think lots of Microsoft products are now technically very good, but I don't like using them because they can't stop annoying me about stuff, and every time I turn my back are committing industrial espionage.

I haven't seen any nags at all. Chrome is notoriously the most anti-privacy browser in the top-flight; Edge generally has better privacy controls than Chrome. But, if you're comparing it to Brave or some others, you'll be disappointed if that is your main concern.

Edge does occasionally nag you about "using the recommended defaults" (i.e. Bing) after updating.

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The reasoning is: Google should continue to maximize dollars per click. They have an established revenue model and should not try to disrupt themselves. Short term profits over long term profits are favored by Wall Street. Microsoft has a tiny portion of the search and ads market. They have no substantial revenue to protect. If they try to disrupt search and succeed, but kill the click through ratio and number of sea…

I still do not see how this makes any logical sense for Google. If: >Short term profits over long term profits are favored by Wall Street. Then: Why did they spend so much money inventing tech that so far has pretty much only allowed Microsoft to take money out of their pockets? I’m genuinely trying to figure out a perspective where Google doesn’t look like a clown car.

Google originally developed Transformers in 2017, and then proceeded to deploy them to enhance the results on a dead end of search they were already on. [1]

It could be argued that nobody saw what will happen 6 years later. When we wrote the "Age of Page Rank is Over" article [2] just 4 months ago, many people did not understand what we talked about in the second part of the article although GPT3 was already a thing.

[1] https://blog.google/products/search/search-language-understa...

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33537513

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Gecko and SpiderMonkey still exist, despite all of the terrible Blink/V8-only implementations out there…

Unfortunately, Firefox at this point looks like an incredible underdog or an endangered species.

again

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Your "dream" there fuels some of my nightmares. You may discount the potentially devasting threat of a possible massive ecological collapse from relying on one single implementation of web rendering because you don't think open source projects can die because "someone has the resources to potentially fork it", but open source is no guarantee. Beyond that, even discounting the threat of ecological collapse due to a si…

Gecko and SpiderMonkey still exist, despite all of the terrible Blink/V8-only implementations out there…

The problem is that the less popular they are, the more websites ignore them and optimize for Blink and WebKit.
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