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Ironically I feel your beliefs about this stem from whatever bubble you yourself are in. No normal person goes around afraid of being "attacked by a woke mob". This is some stories you've been told, and blindly believe, from the other side.
This is not the case. Companies for one do enforce woke culture. I believe GP wasn't talking about being physically attacked by a mob, rather their reputation and livelihood
It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness
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Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness
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A bit off topic but it might be an idea to move away from men's nipples [1] as an example of redundant evolution. It's true to say often an evolution trait has no obvious reason, possibly the reason no longer exists. Most every community have a tangle of a belief system outside of anything religious. Moving away from more obvious isms, I grew up surrounded by fierce ageism especially in regard to the dating set. As y…
Men's nipples are probably useful for the same reason many electronic products have various things on their circuit boards that aren't used: on those products, it's cheaper to manufacture a single circuit board to cover multiple variations of the product, and just attach the components needed for that particular model, leaving the rest unused. Genetically, it's probably easier for men and women to just share the same…
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EMDR therapy may help with something like that.
EMDR looks mighty hinky to me. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11393607/ "In sum, EMDR appears to be no more effective than other exposure techniques, and evidence suggests that the eye movements integral to the treatment, and to its name, are unnecessary."
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Probably also, gay voice. I'm pretty sure a lot of young (not yet gay) men don't have that voice until later in life.
I remember knowing a few people who had the stereotypical gay voice in high school or college, but did not talk about their sexuality, then lived as openly gay later on. So I don't think it always starts later in life, seems like it can even precede being out. A college girlfriend even chewed me out for assuming one of those guys was gay based on the voice, and insisted he was straight. I think he is out now. It woul…
I thought a coworker was giving me signals previously and asked them if they use Grindr, and they said "I'm not gay", and I had to save face by saying "Oh sorry I meant Tinder, I said that because I'm gay haha, because I'm used to talking about the app I use haha, definitely not implying haha".
Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness
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Out of date does not necessarily mean wrong. If you want to challenge this result the burden is on you to cite some more recent work with different results.
You can simply google more recent things dude. You picked an article from 2001. Try 2021 or 2022. Clearly you have an agenda. But here's a case report showing a reduction in tics after EMDR. https://ijponline.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13052-...
If that's the best you've got, that makes me even more confident that EMDR is bogus.
> Clearly you have an agenda.
Indeed I do. My agenda is to seek the truth, and to debunk bogus scientific claims wherever I encounter them.
Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness
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Your comment reminds me of a very interesting interview with Dr Az Hakeem, a psychiatrist and psychotherapist who set up group therapy sessions for gender dysphoric patients: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5ycqNoareUT6Y6s85LrJSF He would include in these groups people at all stages in their transitions, so those considering transitioning further could be informed and challenged by those who had gone the whole way w…
I will pass on your podcast because I found this: https://thepinknews.com/2022/05/22/conversion-therapy-trans-... First. Hakeem [...] describes himself as a “gender critical psychiatrist” Then the "sell" Hakeem offers “specialist psychotherapy for gender dysphoria”, and says that he “does not try and persuade or dissuade anyone from pursuing physical sex interventions such as hormones or surgery but his role is to pr…
Indeed, it's quite telling that the GMC, who have condemned actual conversion therapy, didn't accept the complaint against Dr Hakeem: https://sex-matters.org/posts/healthcare/conversion-therapy-....
Note also that Pink News' general editorial stance is that unconditional affirmation is the only valid approach, so it's not much surprise they jumped on this story.
I would still recommend giving that podcast a listen, it gives a much richer insight into Dr Hakeem's work than that article.
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EMDR looks mighty hinky to me. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11393607/ "In sum, EMDR appears to be no more effective than other exposure techniques, and evidence suggests that the eye movements integral to the treatment, and to its name, are unnecessary."
These days EMDR is a synecdoche for bilateral stimulation techniques. Eye movements aren't actually integral to EMDR.
Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness
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These days EMDR is a synecdoche for bilateral stimulation techniques. Eye movements aren't actually integral to EMDR.
That doesn't make it any less bogus.
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> How about all the kids suddenly becoming trans? Please do not repeat this right-wing talking point. It is a moral panic, and it causes real harm to kids who need genuine mental health support who are instead being dismissed as being part of a trend. "all the kids" are not suddenly becoming trans - the incident rates in society are still extremely small. All rises in incidents of transgenderism are easily explained…
>Please do not repeat this right-wing talking point. It is a moral panic, and it causes real harm to kids who need genuine mental health support who are instead being dismissed as being part of a trend. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/24/an-explosion... The guardian is right wing? https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/05/10-per-cent-... This was from 2015, the actual numbers are now over 25% today…
In US, Canada, and much of the rest of the world, it's a mostly partisan issue.
> What's the association between LGBT and "Commie"? There is one.
Communists don't call themselves Commies. I'm not sure what usernames have to do with one's arguments, mr. "incomingpain"?
Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness
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I appreciated this thoughtful response (rebuttal) to OP. I agree with your concept of "back in the 00s you'd never have a teacher scold a child for using wrong-sex clothes/toys because we'd largely gotten rid of the concept". This dovetails into one of the paradox's of the trans-adjacent ideology that I haven't been able to square in my own head, which is that transitioning genders is predicated on strong gender norm…
Even weirder is how those who don't acknowledge traditional societal ideas of gender roles are being directed to adopt an identity of their own: "non-binary" or "genderfluid". So the strong gender norms have now become a thoroughly self-reinforcing cycle: even if you disagree with them, you're just treated and reassigned in accordance with these same norms.
NB people will absolutely agree that rigorous gender norms are harmful, and Trans people are likely embracing and perpetuating an unnecessary binary. Meanwhile, Trans people will claim that the binary is real to them.
Both are likely valid to some degree. There are multiple axis to this conversation.