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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by chatterhead » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:45 PM UTC

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Until you get DOS'd to death.

Or you can do it the old fashion way. When I was in undergrad, anti abortion people showing graphic imagery and religious fanatics would use the fact that the main quad was a public space to stump their opinions. Most people would ignore them, others would stop to argue with them, but the cops never did anything because legally they could not remove them from a public space for speaking.

That happened at my school, too. There was one guy, little bald and always wearing a slightly too big suit, yelling about gays and the immorality of anal sex. Something tells me he fueled more experimentation than if he hadn't been there.

"If that killjoy doesn't like something it must be fun!"

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by cwkoss » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:45 PM UTC

dionidium wrote: post #637

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She's a no-talent clown who bought her way into the public view with nepotistic wealth. She heavily uses photoshop on her pictures, and then sells beauty products to insecure young women to profit off the insecurities her digital media team helped manufacture. Her brand is basically just 'stupid and rich' - not someone I'd ever want any of the young women I care about to idolize. Her fame is a shame of American socie…

So, nothing, basically. You just don't like her, which is fine, but this is a list of zeros.

I think it's weird that you don't think being a cancer on society is equivalent to 'being an asshole' but agree to disagree.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by _gabe_ » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:45 PM UTC

klyrs wrote: post #513

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> She has been publicly supporting his persecution complex Ok. > A Twitter rep told The Post on Sunday afternoon that West’s account “has been locked due to a violation of Twitter’s policies.” > JP Morgan Chase may have notified West of its decision to end its banking relationship with him > In a statement to CNN Business on Saturday, a Meta spokesperson said content from West’s account was deleted for violating the…

Dude's been blasting antisemitism on social media, in violation of long-standing, well-understood policies. Shutting down his accounts is the opposite of persecution.

> Dude's been blasting antisemitism on social media, in violation of long-standing, well-understood policies.

Can you give specific examples? I just looked this up because I was interested. This very long winded Vice article only seems to point out a few "antisemitic" statements he makes[0]. Here's the first two:

> Ye used a strange metaphor when talking about Black people judging one another, telling Carlson, “Think about us judging each other on how white we could talk would be like, you know, a Jewish person judging another Jewish person on how good they danced or something.”

I've never heard of people hating on Jews because they can't dance. If you watch the clip it sounds like Kanye is just trying to come up with an example, and it's clear he's not "blasting antisemitism" here.

> Ye added, “I prefer my kids knew Hanukkah than Kwanzaa. At least it will come with some financial engineering.” (The belief that Jews control the financial system is one of the oldest and most deeply-rooted antisemitic claims...

Ah yes, the classic joke that Jews are rich. This has been a joke since forever, and maybe it's a bad thing. But Netflix is still playing Seinfeld reruns, and there's way more than one joke in there about rich Jews. There's even an entire episode poking fun at people taking offense to Jewish jokes[1]. And Twitter, Meta, etc aren't blocking Netflix. If joking that Jews are rich is antisemitism that's punishable by banishment from social media, these sites are not enforcing their standards fairly.

I don't really care about Kanye West, but I'm so sick of people claiming everybody is racist, bigoted, and homophobic just because they disagree with something. Show me where Kanye is advocating for the annihilation of the Jews before you go citing baseless claims. And if there is some clear antisemitic statements that I missed coming from Kanye, then I apologize in advance. But right now, it seems like this is just another "this person disagrees with me so let me find some vague statement they said and claim its racist/homophobic/bigoted speech".

[0]: https://www.vice.com/en/article/3ad77y/kanye-west-tucker-car...

[1]: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0697814/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by morelisp » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:46 PM UTC

MockObject wrote: post #374

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I used to be free speech absolutist, but I am not any longer, especially when it comes to social media. The argument in favor of absolute free speech for me was basically “let everyone hear everything and make up their own mind”. This presumes that people are swayed by the content of an argument. This is a false assumption, people are mostly swayed by the volume of the argument. This is well documented in psychologic…

I wonder if anyone believes their own views are too dangerous for broad distribution, and should be limited to protect demoocracy.

Your last clause makes this beg the question, I think.

A lot of people believe their own views are dangerous for democracy, and limited to protect democracy. They just also don't believe in protecting democracy - sometimes explicitly, sometimes with lip service to a "democracy" that's little more than nationalism.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by fourstar » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:46 PM UTC

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He'll be in on the GloriFi grift real soon too I'm sure. Same bad actors involved.

Is there a reason you call it a grift? Or "bad actors"?

The kvetching and projection intensifies when the enemy is over the target.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by cwkoss » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:47 PM UTC

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Personality disorders aren't curable. > I haven't heard he is violent nor of reports of him berating and belittling others I haven't heard about violence, but berating and belittling others seems common for him - it's practically his brand

> Personality disorders aren't curable. Incorrect. There is no single cure for personality disorders, but that doesn't mean they can't be cured. Any mental illness that is not genetic and which develops due to external causes can be cured. There are many personality disorders, of which NPD is one. While there is no single cure for NPD, in fact NPD can be cured in many cases in one of two ways. Some can be cured relat…

Personality disorders can be treated and managed, but not cured. Like PTSD, just because a disorder is caused by external factors does not mean that it is reversible.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by AlexandrB » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:47 PM UTC

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> I think it's pretty dangerous to be labeling people involved in the national dialogue as mentally ill without a diagnosis, or at least some substantial and direct evidence. I think this is a lot less dangerous than you think. When people throw around terms like "groomer", "nazi", and "abuser" with reckless abandon, labelling someone as "bipolar" hardly compares. Ultimately anyone that agrees with what Kanye is sayi…

There are specific reasons to be wary of the way psychiatric diagnosis is used vs. other insults: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry

By that token, the same wariness should be applied to calling someone a "Communist" thanks to McCarthyism.

I think this might be a valid point if US government officials were calling Kanye mentally ill, but a bunch of people on the internet?

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by filoleg » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:48 PM UTC

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> I would wager greatly that it's not that he's grown cynical to people saying he can't do something, but that he's become delusional from people telling him a genius. I've been wary of defending Kanye online lately, but Kanye's influence isn't just "rap / hip hop". Kanye also broke into luxury/high-end fashion quite unexpectedly where he was given the same sort of push back. It started with him interning at Fendi (w…

>Kanye also broke into luxury/high-end fashion the secret here is that the emperor has no clothes, and Kanye's fashion garbage is equally as garbage as the rest of the high end fashion culture. It's not that kanye's that good, it's that its all a crock of dogfood with high end price tags and people who won't say anything trying to fit in for access to the wealthy.

Just because you don't understand an entire art-form and the industry attached to it, that doesn't make it all "garbage".

Might as well go on to say that all modern art or modern cuisine is garbage, and sound just as ridiculous while doing so.

Spoiler alert: weird artsy high-fashion pieces you see on runways are not expected to be sold or worn in real life. Just like visual design of concept cars isn't what's expected to actually drive on the roads.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by bondarchuk » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:49 PM UTC

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> One such was, according to him, an occasion when "they handcuffed him, drugged him, put him on the bed". This doesn't seem like good evidence. It assumes that whenever someone is forcibly restrained and medicated, it was justified. It also assumes that he wasn't exaggerating when he said this. You have also not provided a source of him saying this.

The link is the source, but he used the "you" pronoun and I rephrased it as "him". Sorry for the confusion, I probably need to do better on a public forum like this. Wikipedia also has a paragraph about it, if you'd like to dig into this topic further. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West#Mental_health Also I reject the assumption that I assumed that "whenever someone is forcibly restrained and medicated, it was…

It's not evidence for "unable to manage his own affairs" in the present instance.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by least » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:49 PM UTC

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Free speech to me is not going to jail for saying you think Hitler is a swell guy or you hate the president. It has nothing to do with protected algorithmic amplification of hate speech which is what a lot of bad actors are clinging to it for.

Exactly! Free speech is to protect you from being jailed or executed by the state for publicly held opinions. It has absolutely nothing to do with twitter, and I believe anyone arguing that it does is arguing in bad faith or out of ignorance to the actual purpose of the free speech clause of the first amendment.

You have this completely backwards. The first amendment is the US' constitutional protection of free speech. Free speech itself is an inalienable right. You would have the right to free speech regardless of whether or not your government protects it (which many don't). Governments do not grant rights.

Free speech on Twitter is a matter of values. It is not a matter of whether or not Twitter is legally liable to protect free speech (they're not) but whether they should protect it because it's something that is worthwhile protecting.

Given the ubiquity of social media and its current massive role in communicating and share ideas, what role should the companies behind these services play?