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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by preisschild »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #480
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #153

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I see this a lot around here. HN user hates company with a passion but buys their products rather than deal with some minor annoyance. I guess you don't hate Apple with a passion then.

Minor annoyance? Android is becoming just as much of a locked down walled garden as iOS. Hardware remote attestation is already here and it threatens to deny access to apps to all rooted phones. If I must be in one of these little walled gardens, I'm choosing the better kept one. It sure as hell isn't Google's.

> Hardware remote attestation is already here and it threatens to deny access to apps to all rooted phones

My phone is not rooted, but I use GrapheneOS on my Google Pixel for security hardening and to not have the google rootkit installed.

Funnily enough, even my banking app works, but not my countries eID system.

I imagine in a few years voting will be hard due to this bs ;(

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by vikaveri »

conductr wrote: post #632
viraptor wrote: post #627

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Ok, so you're likely either not bothered by the messaging differences or not don't experience them. Now take a moment to imagine someone tries to tell you that your messaging system makes you not desirable in a group. What do you do as an adult? Spend extra money to comply with their ideas, or tell them to either use alternatives, or get over it? Does the fact you've never used those apps even factor into the decisio…

As I said, everyone I know is on apple so no I don’t notice the difference. I have seen a couple occasional when non Apple users are on a group text and it breaks some things. I can totally see how teens are judging each other on this. They’re judgmental creatures in search of social cues to judge you on. Having android is analogous to wearing cheap Walmart clothes in my day. You’re social clout takes a huge hit. I g…

SMS is basic, lacks features. A company builds messaging software that falls back to SMS when it's not communicating with someone who uses their software. They bundle it in their OS and set it as default. They are so successful that lot of people never even consider using other products, because "everyone" is using it. Users of the software defend these actions and consider it great, often admitting that they haven't even tried alternatives because "everyone" is using it.

How is this different from Microsoft, Windows and IE?

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by fyvhbhn »

dang wrote: post #630
fyvhbhn wrote: post #560

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The US is straight out of a dystopia from an European perspective.

Nationalistic flamewar, and any flamewar, is not ok on HN. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. You've been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly, including elsewhere in this thread. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Flamewar where?

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by dzikimarian »

rootusrootus wrote: post #323
eatsyourtacos wrote: post #116

I hate apple with a passion for not opening up iMessage, but here we are. That being said, I am getting my first iPhone in just a few days because I am sick of the 100000 choices between android phones that all suck in one way or another. I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. And I don't give a crap about what android can do- I just want a phone that works. So I gu…

> it's criminal that a vast reason they have so much market share is because of imessage and the fact that it's "broken" with SMS to some degree. That's just speculation, though. It's entirely plausible that the fundamental reason they have so much market share is because people agree with you: > I just want a phone that works. I've gone back and forth between Android and iPhone myself, and what draws me back to iPho…

It might be worth to mention that people inside Apple also agree with that speculation. They even directly mention outcome with kids.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406303/imessage-android...

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by abigail95 »

bmitc wrote: post #57

I have never understood the arguments that Apple doesn't have a monopoly or monopolies and thus should get away with all the anti-trust violations they get away with. They definitely have monopolies when it comes to market power and influence, even if Android phones (which are split across several manufacturers) have a larger worldwide market share.

You're allowed to make a messaging app that doesn't interop with others.

Is the point you're making that that Apple shouldn't be allowed to release its own messaging app?

What's the anti-trust violation here?

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by preisschild »

currenciessfe wrote: post #413
eatsyourtacos wrote: post #116

I hate apple with a passion for not opening up iMessage, but here we are. That being said, I am getting my first iPhone in just a few days because I am sick of the 100000 choices between android phones that all suck in one way or another. I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. And I don't give a crap about what android can do- I just want a phone that works. So I gu…

What 100000 choices? There are basically 6 Android phones. Of which only one matters - the Samsung Galaxy in it's 2 biggest sizes. So basically you need to pick between 2 Samsung phones, the major difference being size.

Google Pixels with GrapheneOS installed are great too.

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Post by parski »

bloqs wrote: post #322

Americans, do people not use whatsapp over there? In Europe everyone uses whatsapp for literally everything, with a sprinkling of Telegram if you are into something a little subversive and Signal if you actually care about privacy. The only time I use text/sms is to recieve codes for things, and I'm doing that less and less.

I live in northern Europe and the only people I know use WhatsApp are immigrants and children of immigrants that use it to communicate with people in the old country.

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Post by ricardobayes »

pjmlp wrote: post #644
stjohnswarts wrote: post #618

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Most people use their phone for far more than SMS and "phoning" these days. You are an anomaly these days. That's neither good nor bad, it just is.

Most people in Europe only replace their phones when they die, get stolen, or lost. Other than a few lucky ones, we aren't big fans of contracts, replacing phones every two years, we enjoy our pre-paid variants, and only replacing them when it actually is required. Even when we use it for more than just SMS and calls.

Still happily using a Nokia which outlasted several iPhones (all of them had terrible microphones in my experience).

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by fyvhbhn »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #616
fyvhbhn wrote: post #569

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Seriously, do you not know any other app than "Messaging" and "iMessage"?

The sarcastic tone of your response is annoying, given that it misses the point. Yes, I do, and I use them. But when I'm amongst a group of, say, 9 other iPhone users, who happily all already use iMessage (and already have existing chats among different subgroups of the members), telling everyone they need to switch over to a different, unfamiliar messaging app doesn't go over very well. It's difficult enough to atte…

No sarcasm

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Post by sofixa »

ProfessorLayton wrote: post #478
eternityforest wrote: post #199

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$430 is getting close to luxury phone. And the features on remotely affordable iPhones are often below or maybe on par with what you used to be able to get from LG for $220 before they sadly stopped. The chip only matters for gaming really, cheap Android phones have been fast enough for years, and if the price difference is similar to a Switch or something then I'd rather have a dedicated gaming machine if I was real…

Is it anywhere near a luxury if 88% of teens can afford it? The iphone starts at $430 and tops out much higher than that, so the ASP is considerably higher.

I don't think it's the teens buying it for themselves.
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