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Post by gwbas1c »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #351
gwbas1c wrote: post #237

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> The new Air has everything I want except the HDMI I use a USB-C -> HDMI cable. Works great on my Dell.

What product do you have, just so I have an example?

QGeeM USB C to HDMI Cable Adapter,QGeeM 6ft Braided 4K@60Hz Cable Adapter(Thunderbolt 3 Compatible) Compatible with iPad Pro,MacBook Pro 2018 iMac, Pixel,Galaxy S9 Note9 S8 Surface Book hdmi USB-c https://a.co/d/6xniK1E

I bought it to see if I could play movies from my phone. It didn't work, so I chucked it in a drawer.

More recently, I bought a 50" TV to use as a giant developer monitor, and this cable works better than my Dell's HDMI port. What happens is that the HDMI port can only do 4k at 30hz, but this does 4k at 60hz.

You'd think something like that wouldn't matter for an IDE, but shockingly, moving a mouse at 30hz is... Just... Weird.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by gnicholas »

hit8run wrote: post #33

Where is the new Mac Pro? Where is the upgrade to the XDR Display? Where is the M2 Mac Mini? What a shit show.

The XDR Display did get upgraded — you can now attach your iPhone to it and use it as an external camera for Zoom. Amazing! (The XDR-specific mount will be $249, and you will say thank you.) /s

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Post by gnicholas »

gwbas1c wrote: post #237
jrochkind1 wrote: post #208

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Actually, I just realized the new Air has a magsafe power connector and two additional USB-Cs, and does not have a touchbar. I was about to buy a 14" M1 Pro, not because I needed the speed at all, but I wanted magsafe, I didn't want a touchbar, and two USB-C ports (inclusive of power supply) is not enough. Also the built in HDMI out was nice. The new Air has everything I want except the HDMI. Separate magsafe power P…

> The new Air has everything I want except the HDMI I use a USB-C -> HDMI cable. Works great on my Dell.

What's the best solution for when you take your computer to a conference room that has a male HDMI plug that you're supposed to use? I have a USB-C mini dock, but I'd rather not have to bring that everywhere.

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Post by guenthert »

pudebe wrote: post #536
nevi-me wrote: post #509

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I had a laptop that did that (got people noticing), I went to IT a few times to tell them that something was wrong with my laptop, as colleagues' were a bit quieter. I wish that I'd have been more firm with getting a replacement. I now have tinnitus after a year of a really loud laptop. I'm in my early 30s. I can't even tolerate my desktop with relatively quiet fans. One day in the office, I shutdown my laptop for th…

You more probably became your tinitus because of being stressed that your laptop was so loud. No way it could physically harm your hearing ..

afaik tinitus is not necessarily damage to the (inner) ear, but could as well be psychological or physical damage to the brain (blood flow). Have a doc check that out.

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Post by gnicholas »

icyfox wrote: post #140
jrochkind1 wrote: post #115

I'd still buy the 14" Pro for the more ports, slower chip for more $ or not. And real function keys instead of a touchbar? They seem to be making weirdly inconsistent choices in the product line. I thought they were going to be getting rid of the touchbar (and maybe adding more ports?) and they were only still in the legacy 13" because it was legacy. But apparently they mean to indefinitely have a 13" Pro with a touc…

I can't figure this one out either. The Air now has the same screen as the MBP 13", same processor, slimmer form factor. The air is also $100 cheaper than the MBP so that's not a justification. The only thing that is different on the specs page is the GPU count 10-cores versus 8. Why keep the 13?

Don't forget that AppleCare and repairs (e.g., battery replacements) are cheaper for MBAs than MBPs.

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Post by gwbas1c »

smoldesu wrote: post #528
gwbas1c wrote: post #229

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Spend a few minutes talking with someone who designs hardware. Often when they release something, there are TONs of incremental improvements that they just didn't have time to get to when a new product is released. I remember having a conversation with someone who worked on hard drives in the 80s. He got so ^%$^$# excited telling me about all the improvements he worked on between generations; they were mostly things…

This comment sounds like the exact same hopium I heard about Intel in 2016. I get what you're saying, and there are definitely smaller changes packed in here, but my point is that Apple's performance crown is looking mighty easy to usurp right about now. Hell, they even showed a graph with the i7 1280p beating the M2's single-core performance by ~20% at the WWDC today; they know they're on notice.

There's more to comparing computers than just CPU benchmarks. Benchmarks can be manipulated. Raw CPU only matters when your workload involves lots of CPU work. (And, if it does, maybe a desktop is a better choice.)

But, more importantly, it's like comparing two cars based on horsepower when in practice both will get you to the same place, on the same road, at the same time.

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Post by sgerenser »

skavi wrote: post #398
joakleaf wrote: post #329

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Apple's 20% was for multi-core.

The M1 and M2 have the same number of cores. I suppose the fabric could have been improved for the M2.

Multi core uplift will be a bit more than single core, because the “little” cores improved more than the big ones. 18% multi core uplift, but only 12-15% single core. Weak cores might have increased by 25% or so but they’re still much slower than the big cores so don’t affect “single core” performance.

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Post by seabriez »

LordDragonfang wrote: post #585
seabriez wrote: post #564

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You really have to ask? Because why? You live in an Apple world before Google search has existed because Apple hasn't invented search yet right? Also it's $1500; because no one wants a laptop in a 8 / 256 configuration, no one; it's just there for money extraction purposes. HP Spectre Laptop Computer 13.5" WUXGA+ Touch Screen Intel Core i7 16 GB memory; Count the number of ways it's better and cheaper. https://www.wa…

>i7-1195G7 That's an undesirable generation that lacks efficiency cores and gets barely two thirds the performance of the lowest specced M1, and has 13h of standby time compared to the Apples 18h of video playback . Not remotely comparable, and wildly overpriced comparitively. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i7-1195G7-vs-Appl...

Im sorry what?

i7-1195G7 => 1605 Apple M1 => 1729

2/3s? Are you being a little liberal with your interpretation? I'd say its a wash and pretty much the same thing.

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Post by gnicholas »

mmmmmbop wrote: post #187
mcintyre1994 wrote: post #161

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I'm guessing they can get slightly better sustained performance out of the 13" Pro than the Air because it has a fan? But still doesn't really seem to explain it. Unless they want to bring the Touchbar back to the other pros.. which hopefully isn't the case.

I feel like it's a business-driven decision to sell the 13" Pro. They can get rid of their Touchbar inventory, and I assume the margins on that one are ridiculously high, since it's a design that's been unchanged since 2016. Kind of like the iPhone SE that is repurposing the 2017 iPhone 8.

How much Touchbar inventory can they possibly have? And unlike the SE, which some people purchase because they like the form factor and low price, I feel like the only people who get a 13" MBP are uninformed about how it stacks up against the MBA.

I wanted to get a revamped MBP, but after seeing the horrendous stats (2 ports, no MagSafe, no SD/HDMI!) it was a no-brainer to get in line for the MBA, which is cheaper, lighter, and has more ports and a better camera.

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Post by seabriez »

ulfw wrote: post #670
seabriez wrote: post #445

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$1500 to edit photos 20% faster? Was it slow before?

if you're dealing with 45-61MP RAW files yes. More RAM and more GPU and CPU speed help. Of course.

I'm a photographer, and almost no one deals with 45-61MP RAW files. You're talking about a subsegment of photographers, subsegment of those who deal with making very large images, almost no one. It's your money lol, I just don't understand why you justifying so hard spending money on this incremental update.
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