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Post by bawolff »

mod50ack wrote: post #167
mattnewton wrote: post #131

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I agree. I have no idea how Canada's legal system works but I would not trust the american executive branch with this power without the authorization of a judge. Even then it feels too easily abused, but you can already do a lot worse with a judge's sign off and there are certainly cases where the power makes sense. Is this something that has precedent in Canada?

Yes. Trudeau's father did the same thing (look up "Just watch me"). Anyway, there's no such thing as separation of powers in Canada. It's called Parliamentary Sovereignty.

Canada isn't britian. The constitution is supreme, and courts will enforce it.

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Post by encryptluks2 »

mhh__ wrote: post #470
encryptluks2 wrote: post #193

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Polls like this are usually wrong, just look at the polls regarding the 2016 US elections.

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, using 2016 to argue polls are massively off is basically admitting you don't understand what you're talking about.

They had the odds of her winning at 99%. It was all they talked about.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sam-wang-p...

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Post by bregma »

Banana699 wrote: post #631
abledon wrote: post #474

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was it only the 10% fringe farmers protesting? or the 90% majority of farmers?

Protests are only legitimate if they have more than 10% percent of the population? So, for instance, no gay pride demonstration was ever a legitimate protest? Some revolutions were carried out by less than that percentage.

Just remember, a self-selected 10% of the population imposing unwanted hardship on the remaining 90% is less of a revolution and more of a tyranny.

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Post by screye »

JamisonM wrote: post #539
screye wrote: post #504

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The hypocrisy goes deeper. Trudeau had been advocating via the WTO for the removal of farming subsidies & MSP for Indian Farmers for years at that point.[1] If he had any semblance of moral consistency, then he would have been an ardent supporter of the farm bill. [1] https://theprint.in/diplomacy/trudeau-backs-farmers-protest-...

Support for the right to protest and support for a particular policy are orthogonal, is there any indication that the Canadian government supported their right to protest contingent on the policy in question?

one of the top comments addresses this

> When protests were happening in India this is what Trudeau had to say: "Let me remind you, Canada will always be there to defend the rights of peaceful protesters. We believe in the process of dialogue. We’ve reached out through multiple means to the Indian authorities to highlight our concerns. This is a moment for all of us to pull together,"Justin Trudeau said

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/situation-is-concern...

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Post by listless »

Jackim wrote: post #54
makomk wrote: post #24

Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.

That is an exaggerated headline. Accounts being used to fund illegal activities can be frozen. Protesting is not and will not be illegal. Blocking critical infrastructure is illegal.

I agree with this and I generally support their cause. But you don’t have the right to shut down commerce and affect citizens ability to move across a border. IMO they have let this go on far too long.

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Post by Tiktaalik »

Zanneth wrote: post #578
data-ottawa wrote: post #565

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I would argue that you’re misconstruing things. We Canadians had a fairly single issue election in the fall around vaccine mandates and the Liberal party won. The question is not “are mandates allowed” but “can a group be allowed to take cities hostage while trying to overthrow democratic rule.” The issuing of mandates was not even passed through fiat like an American executive order, this government is a minority go…

Maybe the better question you should be asking is whether a simple majority (50%) is enough to justify drastic and extreme countermeasures mandated by the government, two years into a pandemic, with no end in sight. You might think this is a perfectly reasonable and responsible thing to do, but half of your neighbors strongly disagree. Now that vaccines, testing, and masks are widely available, does the government ha…

There's really been nothing drastic or extreme about Canadian health mandates at all (I had a lovely dinner at a restaurant last night) and health officials have been telegraphing that the end is in sight for weeks before this protest even started.

Right now the hospitals continue to be overloaded and so long as that is the case the government's health officials absolutely have a right to limit risky activities that are likely to explode the amount of people going to the hospital.

If governments recklessly open up here the system could fall apart. Already Alberta and Saskatchewan have conceded to the protestors and are winding down health measures so we'll see what happens. I hope the worst fears don't come to realization.

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Post by sib301 »

andrew_ wrote: post #411

The number of comments on this that are just fine with wild authoritarian abuses like this "because vaccines are good" is astounding. People have such idealogical myopia and are shocked and appalled when the same measures are used against their interests.

Where is the abuse?

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Post by kerneloftruth »

SECProto wrote: post #505
kerneloftruth wrote: post #303

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Trudeau is calling the whole protest illegal. Last week they arrested an old man for merely honking his horn to show support. So, anyone attending a protest is joining an illegal activity...and can have their accounts frozen. There's no guarantee of due process in Canada's constitution?

> Trudeau is calling the whole protest illegal. The whole protest has been illegal from the start (violating the highway traffic act) > Last week they arrested an old man for merely honking his horn to show support. Source? Either way, yes, there was an injunction granted specifically against honking horns. > So, anyone attending a protest is joining an illegal activity...and can have their accounts frozen. No, anyon…

The only thing sadder than the authoritarian measures adopted in Canada and Australia is the glee with which so many of their citizens embrace it.

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Post by bawolff »

kerneloftruth wrote: post #303
Jackim wrote: post #54

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That is an exaggerated headline. Accounts being used to fund illegal activities can be frozen. Protesting is not and will not be illegal. Blocking critical infrastructure is illegal.

Trudeau is calling the whole protest illegal. Last week they arrested an old man for merely honking his horn to show support. So, anyone attending a protest is joining an illegal activity...and can have their accounts frozen. There's no guarantee of due process in Canada's constitution?

> Last week they arrested an old man for merely honking his horn to show support.

Isn't there a court order forbidding that? Ignoring court orders is a crime and there is plenty of due process around that.

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