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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by strofcon »

mercy_dude wrote: post #637
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

The problem is not that private companies doing whatever they wish to do with his content. Spotify in normal times would have no incentives to delete those episodes. It seems the governments in US are enforcing censorship through private sector in the name of disinformation. I urge you to see the recent comments from White House press secy, congressional hearings and so on who insist private sector do more of the dir…

I'm very confused as to how you think the government is involved with this issue. Is Neil Young a government official? Or is it empirically false to claim that Joe Rogan is actively peddling false information that is directly impacting people by way of, ya know, dying?

I think this is a simple example of the people with wallets using said wallets to indicate what they will and won't tolerate.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by kodisha »

djkoolaide wrote: post #436
throwawayrev3 wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also: Tidal https://tidal.com/ Deezer https://www.deezer.com/ Bandcamp https://bandcamp.com/ Jango https://www.jango.com/ Radio Paradise https://radioparadise.com/ There's also FOSS software for collaborative music with friends, musicians etc: Jamulus https://github.com/jamulussoftware/jamulus

I switched to Deezer recently and my favorite thing is that it actually has a usable, full-featured web version that's not full of bloat -- and, more importantly, allows lossless music playback in browser. The web UI works so well that I never even bothered to install the desktop app, unlike other services I've used in the past. They definitely deserve a shout-out.

Best feature of Deezer by FAR:

That unlimited lenght "Flow" playlist. It's like personalized radio, but you can skip songs.

I'm so sad that Spotify didn't implement such a feature yet.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by mark_l_watson »

That is a interesting list. I noticed that there are both liberal and conservative people who were removed from his podcast. I wonder why they did that?

I think this may not be political. They may just want to tighten up the catalog, polish the brand they purchased, and have just the very best material?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by hedora »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

I think the real issue isn't that people are calling for censorship. They're calling for Spotify to not pay people to produce political propaganda.

Now, we get the worst of both worlds, where Spotify funds the production of harmful propaganda (by their own published standards), and also starts censoring independently produced content.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by mateuszf »

daveFNbuck wrote: post #668
klagermkii wrote: post #581

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. I don't think this is some irreconcilable gotcha. I support the free market as a tool when it delivers on the benefits that it can provide. Those are increasing choice and decreasing costs through increased competition and commoditiz…

> Likewise if the free market is used as a way to reduce the availability of content, I can be against that while still supporting it as a guiding concept. Joe Rogan being on Spotify is entirely about limiting the availability of his podcast. They're paying him to not make his episodes available outside of Spotify.

It was his choice to sign that deal though.

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Post by elliekelly »

klagermkii wrote: post #581
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

> I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. I don't think this is some irreconcilable gotcha. I support the free market as a tool when it delivers on the benefits that it can provide. Those are increasing choice and decreasing costs through increased competition and commoditiz…

> Likewise if the free market is used as a way to reduce the availability of content, I can be against that while still supporting it as a guiding concept.

Are you against the concept of intellectual property as a whole?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by influx »

newswasboring wrote: post #661
Hermel wrote: post #609

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course they are free to do what they want. But if they do something unethical, like removing content for political reasons, I'm also free to criticize them and for example demand a refund if they lured me into a subscription by claiming I would be able to listen to Joe Rogan. Also, you are making wild assumptions about the contract between Joe Rogan and Spotify. Maybe there's a clause in there that they will not o…

> But if they do something unethical, like removing content for political reasons How is this unethical?

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by d0gsg0w00f »

Mikhail_Edoshin wrote: post #604
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

There were a few Argentine tango orchestras in 1930-40s that were tricked into signing a deal with record companies only, as it turned out, to prevent them from going to a competitor. As a result we don't have any records of these orchestras for the period of the contract, which may be like two years lacunas in their recorded history. There is something deeply wrong with destroying things that haven't yet reached the…

My wife and I have been taking Argentine Tango lessons for about a year now. It took me a long time to understand the mysticism around the "big 4" orchestras but I can say that now I understand and appreciate your comment.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by jakelazaroff »

klagermkii wrote: post #581
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

> I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. I don't think this is some irreconcilable gotcha. I support the free market as a tool when it delivers on the benefits that it can provide. Those are increasing choice and decreasing costs through increased competition and commoditiz…

So are you saying that you’re against exclusive licenses, even in theory? Say Spotify had signed the same deal with Joe Rogan but not removed any episodes from their own service — still bad?
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