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Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by ya_throw »

ErikVandeWater wrote: post #669
ya_throw wrote: post #665

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Your implication is that the "full staffing" makes up for the fact that inmates can't leave nor have anyone visit. In which case, there is little difference between a care facility under lockdown, and a prison. A friend's grandmother died alone, without having seen friends or family for months, shut in her room in a care facility during 2020. I suppose you are one of the people who would also tell us that house arres…

Reconsidering, it is fair to say prison is a fully staffed assisted living facility (excepting when prison is assisting with the dying). My implication though was that elderly were not "isolated from any contact with people they depend on for basic survival needs" in cases where they were put in assisted living facilities, because they provide for basic survival needs. > I suppose you are one of the people who would…

It seems we have forgotten that ultimately, "basic survival needs" for humans (and especially vulnerable humans) includes social contact. You can't call infrequent visits from a staff member while covered from head to toe in various inffectual PPE, "social contact".

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by kzrdude »

sodality2 wrote: post #670
kzrdude wrote: post #666

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"more enriching" is how we fool ourselves to continue diverting our attention - speaking for myself - it's just math on youtube, it's just stackoverflow/programming, etc. Unfortunately the cycle of infinite information needs to be throttled I think.

Again, maybe this is just me being disingenuous, but I'd disagree - while your examples may be used as a time sink, I believe there is definitely a difference between scrolling on tiktok, and watching math on youtube. You're probably far more likely to use and improve your brain and its critical thinking skills.

Maybe, I hope so, but I have identified my problem as a problem too (so.. I need to do something about it :)

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Post by javagram »

native_samples wrote: post #667
edmundsauto wrote: post #604

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Communist tactic is a bit ... weird .. of an association. Getting neighbors to snitch on each other is a technique every country's law enforcement uses. Or is the "See something, say something" announcement in the airport also communist? Is Texas' bounty on snitching on women who have medical procedures also communist? Your comment would have been stronger if you didn't wave out the 1950s red scare tactics. Overall,…

Only if you define "neighbour" to mean literally anyone, which isn't what it means. gjsman is using the word neighbour correctly to mean someone who physically lives next to you, which is dystopian because it effectively extends the power of law enforcement inside the walls of everyone's homes to criminalize normal pro-social behaviour, and does so by manipulating and exploiting the bonds that form robust communities…

Neighbors reporting each other for crimes is a good thing. Codes of silence between neighbors are what lead communities to cover up murders and refuse to talk to police.

I suppose the actual issue here is the “pro social” behavior piece. I haven’t actually heard of any U.S. state where significant fines or enforcement of private home gathering sizes was done after a few months in March, most states relied on the honor system even if governors ordered allegedly strict restrictions (e.g. one “blue” state I traveled to required me to submit a form for travel, however, each time I went there I was never approached by police or anyone else to check my form and I easily could have never done it).

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Post by javagram »

yucky wrote: post #623
javagram wrote: post #423

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> The pandemic response completely ignored the costs of shutdowns. There has been little or no consideration of their impact on physical health, mental health, education, business, employment, worship. Anyone who went to an open bar or a packed church service in the USA in December 2020 can tell that governors and the courts were both very sensitive to business and religious concerns about impact on worship, business…

>0.3% is the case only after torturing statistics Ironic, since a 0.3% (or 0.6%) fatality rate is vastly exaggerated for people in low risk groups. The only reason the number is even that high is due to the high death tolls of people in high risk groups.

That is how averages work. One could equally point out that 0.6% IFR actually underestimated the risk for some adults.

Many people shared Facebook memes of a “99.9%” survival rate not understanding that they personally were at greater risk than that. This page was available on the CDC website for quite a long time explaining the different risks in a pretty straightforward table https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investi...

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Post by afavour »

pandaman wrote: post #630
afavour wrote: post #506

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That’s still applying hindsight logic, though. At the start of the pandemic we didn’t know enough about the virus to know what was and was not necessary. Your family applied their skepticism of government to speculate that the lockdown would be a long one. That speculation would turn out to be correct but unless you’re in a family of epidemiologists they weren’t correct because they understood the virus better than a…

Imagine you have a car problem and take it to a mechanic. Mechanic says: "You have to rebuild the engine ASAP, otherwise the engine is going to explode and you lose the whole car". You pay for the engine rebuild, the car is still broken and the mechanic says: "Oh, I did not know what is wrong with your car, don't hindsight me." What would you do in such a case: a) agree that you are over the line with your complaints…

Not exactly a fair comparison, though. In order for it to be fair you'd have to have to be bringing in a completely unknown type of engine and asking the mechanic to figure it out. And I imagine any sensible mechanic would say "sorry, not my area of expertise". Which is not a choice in the real world scenario.

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Post by afavour »

chrismcb wrote: post #654
afavour wrote: post #573

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> These people were not allowed to speak, in policies or on television. That’s just flat out untrue, though. These views were widely aired at the time. It’s revisionist history to say they were censored. The government made a choice they didn’t agree with but that doesn’t mean they were silenced.

A lot of them were silenced. A lot of scientists were also afraid to speak out against the status quo. If you disagreed with the government you are called anti science (despite the policies having nothing to do with science) it belittled for wanting to kill grandma. Shoot people are still saying that.

I see this perspective a lot and it baffles me. If you say something and in return are called "anti-science" you are not being "silenced". You are hearing the reaction to the words that you spoke. We're well on the path towards "censorship" being a word that means absolutely nothing.

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Post by api »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #451
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #441

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The lockdown was a response to a completely unknown pathogen, presumably airborne, that was causing sickness globally. A “ham fisted lockdown” was completely justified to protect everyone while we figured out what was going on. I love everyone trying to play epidemiologist or public policy coordinator like they know what they’re talking about; what hubris.

Tell that to the small businesses that were destroyed because of “two weeks to slow the spread” and the families that relied on them. They passionately hate these leaders.

If we'd had total lock-down for two weeks it would have slowed the spread and businesses might have been able to re-open. Instead we had half-assed lockdowns forever.

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

afavour wrote: post #676
chrismcb wrote: post #654

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A lot of them were silenced. A lot of scientists were also afraid to speak out against the status quo. If you disagreed with the government you are called anti science (despite the policies having nothing to do with science) it belittled for wanting to kill grandma. Shoot people are still saying that.

I see this perspective a lot and it baffles me. If you say something and in return are called "anti-science" you are not being "silenced". You are hearing the reaction to the words that you spoke. We're well on the path towards "censorship" being a word that means absolutely nothing.

Yes, you are being silenced, because what does "anti-science" imply?

Science is a process about learning from the world. These people (who are scientists themselves!) have disagreements about how scientists are doing science, and they are called "anti-scientific" as a result of disagreeing with their interpretation of science.

That's a direct "censor this guy" threat.

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Post by pandaman »

afavour wrote: post #675
pandaman wrote: post #630

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Imagine you have a car problem and take it to a mechanic. Mechanic says: "You have to rebuild the engine ASAP, otherwise the engine is going to explode and you lose the whole car". You pay for the engine rebuild, the car is still broken and the mechanic says: "Oh, I did not know what is wrong with your car, don't hindsight me." What would you do in such a case: a) agree that you are over the line with your complaints…

Not exactly a fair comparison, though. In order for it to be fair you'd have to have to be bringing in a completely unknown type of engine and asking the mechanic to figure it out. And I imagine any sensible mechanic would say "sorry, not my area of expertise". Which is not a choice in the real world scenario.

The comparison is not about the type of engine but about advising with authority without knowledge. A sensible mechanic or anyone who values own reputation would indeed say "I didn't know", this is not what happened with the COVID response though.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by zepto »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #610
gruez wrote: post #603

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>Black people have a well earned historical distrust of the medical community that's pretty much completely unrelated to the zeitgeist of the "anti-vax" movement. As opposed to white people? Why does it matter whether you mistrust the US government because of Tuskegee Syphilis Study, or because of MKULTRA?

It's really weird how people responding to me keep talking about distrust in the US government, when I was talking about distrust in the medical community.

Presumably you know that significant parts of the historical “well earned distrust” that black people have of the medical community involve the government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study

So does the current drive for vaccination.

It’s weird that you don’t see the connection.

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