Response from the student: https://old.reddit.com/r/Purdue/comments/ri95tp/in_response_...
Well said: "In my world there's always a place for you; you can disagree with me; you can even insult me; I will not fire back because that is your freedom of expression, however In your world there's no place for me; you want to eliminate me and even my family from the world just because I disagree with your government or your ideology; this is puzzling isn't it?"
President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment
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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment
#672Earlier quoted context omitted.
For sure. The lack of transparency is a given in an authoritarian regime and I'm sure there are consequences. Isn't Covid a good example? Chinese scientists who tried to ring the alarm where harassed or worse when the whole outbreak was beginning. Kinda reminds me of what happened in Chernobyl.
You also have to be aware of the language barrier/lack of voices from within China who can give you context of what is happening. News that you hear about China are mostly written by western media who has little to no clue about what actually happened (remember the Bloomberg report on the spy chip?). I would exercise caution when reading anything online, especially at this very low SNR climate. Key to peace and toler…
Whose fault is that? China only has one voice as a policy. I'll take Western media's reporting over what the Chinese party is saying more often than not. The media has its own problems but still.
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#673He needed to make this about harassment, not China. If the first paragraph was corrected to leave these parts out, I think it would be a much clearer case: From: > Purdue learned from a national news account last week that one of our students, after speaking out on behalf of freedom and others martyred for advocating it, was harassed and threatened by other students from his own home country. Worse still, his family…
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#674Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment
#675Earlier quoted context omitted.
The ones that block freedom of the press, block and censore the internet, deploy military force against civilians, anex peaceful territories by force, push other democracies to overwrite their history, and commit genocide... So the Chinese government.
And those are all things the US, the UK and most western government's have done & will do again.
Ahh, the classic whataboutism prevalent in threads about China. No excuse, especially because almost all the bad stuff that those governments did are decades in the past, whereas China is doing those things now, accelerating them, and being defended by its citizens (and people like you).
Moreover, you can't just lump together governments like that? The UK is a completely different world than the US - for instance, their freedom-of-speech laws aren't comparable to ours.
And, if we're talking just about the US (which is the topic of discussion, not the UK) - the US does not "block freedom of the press, block and censor the internet, [...] push other democracies to overwrite their history, and commit genocide..." and the other things that we have (shamefully) committed are an order of magnitude not as bad as what China is doing now. The last time the US did something remotely similar to the million+ Uyghurs in concentration camps was the Trail of Tears in 1850 (which, as terrible as it was, involved less than a 10th of the number of victims as Xinjiang now).
You're sure making a lot of fallacies and bad arguments to try to excuse the behavior of a murderous, tyrannical government...
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#676This a weak response. It reminds me of a fellow student at Wharton. Whatever the question was in classes (ethics, economics) his answer was ALWAYS "I really feel strongly both ways". My friends and I even gave him a price for his answers/behavior at the end. Years later he was a CEO of major corporations. That served him well to never take the stand. Life is full of people who "really feel strongly both ways". It see…
Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment
#677He needed to make this about harassment, not China. If the first paragraph was corrected to leave these parts out, I think it would be a much clearer case: From: > Purdue learned from a national news account last week that one of our students, after speaking out on behalf of freedom and others martyred for advocating it, was harassed and threatened by other students from his own home country. Worse still, his family…
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#678I worked with people from China at a previous job. They came to visit us (South America) and while having dinner I lightly suggested things in China are difficult when it comes to freedom, right? Their facial expression changed immediately. They said it was better not to talk about that. They were who knows how many kilometers from home, not a single Chinese national around to report them, and they still feared talki…
The owner, a Chinese expat, greeted us enthusiastically and personally sat down to serve us tea. The conversation was lovely; she was explaining the source of the tea, the preparation and serving method, etc. and I was just enjoying the experience when she offhandedly asked where he was from.
When he responded, "Taiwan," she immediately frowned and made some terse comment in Mandarin, to which he retorted, also in Mandarin. There was a tense exchange, and then she abruptly turned to me and started asking me questions again in English, changing the subject.
I had not yet learned of the One-China stance, so when we left I asked him what happened. He told me that she admonished him for not saying he was from "Chinese Taipei", and apparently some other nasty remarks he decided not to translate.
It was such a shock to see that level of nationalism exhibit itself in real-time. She was genuinely offended and angry, not annoyed. I suspect if I hadn't been there, she'd have told him to leave immediately.
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#679when they came for the CCP, I didn't say anything because I was not in the CCP. then they came for antifa, BLM®, BDS, and... oh, no they didn't, I guess deplatforming is still safe on campus
Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment
#680Earlier quoted context omitted.
While it doesn't have the immediate satisifaction of a twitter pitchfork mob, I appreciate a measured approach IF there is serious (albeit slow moving) action taken. The last thing we need is an equally impactful response in the opposite direction. He's the head of the school and needs to balance a wide range of perspectives and demands. The context has been set so now I'm watching to see if the actions back it up. I…
>>The last thing we need is an equally impactful response in the opposite direction. We need a MORE impactful response form this side, but it does not have to be instant. And you are correct that it has to be carefully investigated, soundly based, and measured for maximum effect. Ultimately, if you are a "student" here and are participating in state power projection, spying, or abuse of anyone merely participating in…
China is the worlds weird abusive ex-boyfriend.