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Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

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I pay a $6 yearly subscription for a frikkin’ calculator app. It has a handy feature which I use and the price was low enough I didn’t actually care that much. But I never imagined renting a calculator.

Would you mind sharing what the handy feature is? or the Calculator even?

Currency conversion. I travel internationally quite a bit and it’s easier to use than Google when you need to do some quick math in different currency amounts.

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In the sketch, the "client" states that he called the police and all he could get was on-hold music. I am afraid one can inform the international public: in some countries, this is exactly what happens, since years.

There are two cops were I live. I guess they don't always pick up. Or do you mean 911?

Yes I meant the equivalent of 911.

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There was no accident here, unless I missed something. The guy just lost power to his door locks after he got in.

I'm talking more generally about cars not always unlocking after an accident. In this specific scenario, you still have a component failure. Something that was supposed to be connected wasn't. It would be nice if they designed a better fail safe but it's not a case of "corvette handles aren't designed to unlock."

"You're holding it wrong"

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was posted here sometime ago: The door refused to open. It said, "Five cents, please." He searched his pockets. No more coins; nothing. "I'll pay you tomorrow," he told the door. Again he tried the knob. Again it remained locked tight. "What I pay you," he informed it, "is in the nature of a gratuity; I don't have to pay you." "I think otherwise," the door said. "Look in the purchase contract you signed when you boug…

This reminds me of the Charlie card for using the subway in Boston: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kacASNARakQ It has fun history, apparently they were going to introduce a nickel tax to get off the subway, so the legend is that Charlie never got off, because he didn’t have a nickel.

Nearly happened to me on the Tokyo subway. Train from Narita to Tokyo, couldn't find a way to get out of the system in Shibuya.

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I use a similar strategy of targeting 2 to 4 year old used cars in good condition, and then swapping out when they get around 10 years or 100k. It's worked quite well for me. I have no idea what I'm going to do next time I'm in the market for a car, because every trend I see in the industry is stuff I do not want. And it's not just cars. It's freakin' everything. I don't need a touch screen on my fridge. Like that jo…

I just went through this, buying a car to replace the one I'd had for 13 years. Oh man, I had no idea how terrible the car industry had gotten; it was every bit as bad as you're fearing. I had a slight preference for an automatic transmission but ended up looking mostly at manuals since those often lack a few of the "modern" anti-features. I wish I had better advice to give, the experience honestly bummed me out quit…

Yeah, I hear this. I like driving a manual because I find it almost meditative. I've done some rally clinics so not to brag but I know what I'm doing with it and double clutch, heel toe, routinely. It's like a little mini game to be as smooth and precise as possible at it every time I drive, and I like that.

The dual clutch automatics that are in better cars today are legit pretty amazing tech, but, it just doesn't fit my vibe so to speak. In any case, I'm quite sure my next car is going to be pure electric so it may not even have a transmission, or if it does it'll be a two speed automatic you don't control. Meh.

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This is really bothering. How many of these subscriptions actually will finally increase value for the customer? Without intentionally starting to lock features and enable them later on with payments. Some legistlation is quickly needed.

Time to start a GNU Automobile project? :) But yes, in a future where software is the most complicated part of a car, maybe that's what we'll be paying for. But, IMO then there should also be competition on the software side.

I would argue that software in current iPhones is not much more complicated, just different use case. Current state of the software in cars is not eligible for subscriptions when iPhones get free updates for years which is more than maintenance mode.

Yes, when cars finally reach the self-driving more, it sounds complicated but our knowledge also grows over time. We don’t charge extra for voice-assistant support in devices these days which was black magic 30 years ago. Similarly how current computers compares to pricing of first ones. Is coding so ”revolutionary” that we can start ignoring normal adjustment of pricing compared to every other type?

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What monthly fees of this nature are required to use other Apple products? OS updates are free. The basic version of iCloud is free. "Find My iPhone" is free. Apple Maps is free. The App Store is free. Hell, CarPlay is free on the Apple end of things; it's some car manufacturers who've been charging for it. "Public will buy into it because the cost of the car is significantly less than their competition." Are we talk…

>What monthly fees of this nature are required to use other Apple products? Apple conveniently disallows people from making local backups encrypted with your own key, which means in reality you need to pay a monthly fee to store them on iCloud.

That’s just an outright lie, though.

There’s Time Machine:

https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/keep-your-time-mach...

Or you can run any number of third party backup software.

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Actually it isn't. There are tons of examples of whole industries just switching to user-/customer-hostile practices/products, meaning there's simply no more way to vote with your wallet. Happened like that with even trivial things like the milk market in Germany. Within a year or two, fresh milk had suddenly all but vanished from the shelves. Once pay-for-fob becomes the norm, good luck trying to enter that market w…

WaPo has an ad-free version for a reasonable fee.

WaPo is also toilet paper, which is useless if it's digital.

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It is the solution, just the consumers don't have the guts to go through with not buying. The average buyer now seems to have little self control. The companies as you pointed out take advantage of it and work together to screw everyone. I do recall the non-fresh milk in Germany. Shelf stable ultra pasteurized milk tastes terrible. In the US you can still get even raw milk.

Where in the US are you referring to? I know it's available, but I can't say I've ever seen it for sale in a large grocery store. I've only seen it at farmers markets or similar small farm ventures.

It's only legal in 13 states that way. It's actually illegal in 20 states to sell raw milk at all (as of 2017, I don't think this has changed recently).

https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/nonpasteurized-outbre...

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When you're half dazed from a collision and the car is on fire, will your scared but unhurt 11 year old son know where this hidden lever is? I did, on a 1980s car, since it was the normal door handle.

Hidden? It’s directly below where the “oh shit” handle is on the door, you need to move your hand less than 6” to pull it. Calling it hidden is completely misrepresenting reality. If my 7 year old knows where it is and insists on using it to open the door, I hope your 11 year old can figure it out.

From [1], I see it's a discreet, black lever with a small picture of a door opening. It perhaps is about 6" away, but in a space almost always obscured by ones legs.

Emergency controls in vehicles with proper regulation look like this [2], so they can still be used in the dark, with smoke, etc.

[1] https://hhcorvettenewsletter.wordpress.com/2016/08/03/dont-l...

[2] https://railgallery.wongm.com/gold-coast-light-rail/F122_929...

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