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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Where they going out of business before offering stand alone licenses? If no, this is a money grab.

> Were they going out of business... Whom would you rely on to handle something that matters to you: A. Someone who refuses to eat until they start collapsing from hunger? B. Someone who eats regular meals?

You didn't answer my question. Was this a healthy and sustainable business before, or were these changes necessary for survival?

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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The primary issue with having two separate teams for the same platform was not money, it was time. To be clear: we wanted to build a native app in parallel with our cross-platform Electron solution, and we had the developers to do it. But unfortunately, having an additional team that needed to implement the UI for every single new feature was a significant slow-down, and we collectively realized that we could not mee…

I don’t understand why two teams means slower. Are you keeping the total number of engineers the same? If you are saying 2x engineers on electron complete tasks faster than 1x on electron and 1x on native, you are basically agreeing with OPs take. You take money to provide software. But then you become lazy and greedy and want 1 size fits all. End result is your users having clunky, high latency experience.

I think he’s saying 1x on both Electron and Swift UI was making it too hard to ship either version to an acceptable standard because each was slowing the other down due to inconsistencies, difficulty staying in parity and double communication.

Unfortunately, it’s normal in software development for multiple platforms to increase development complexity when feature and UX parity is prioritized.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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> If the app isn't usable by you (and this is a general you, not specifically directed at you), then the answer is simple: don't use it. Nobody is forcing you to use Electron or any app built with it if you don't want to. > If as a user your needs are not met, whether that's due to sluggishness from Electron, incompatibility from having a native-only solution, whathaveyou, then all you really have to do is wait. A co…

If truly everyone is doing it and you don't have any other option (which is just preposterous, there's an ever increasing number of choices out there) then maybe you're just not the target audience anymore. Businesses aren't stupid, if a decision were to actively lose them more customers than it'd gain, they wouldn't do it. If every single business and OSS alternative suddenly switched to Electron and you had no othe…

> In the real world, plenty of alternatives exist for practically every Electron app out there so if you don't want to use it, you don't have to.

There's choice with password managers. But look at music. You have Deezer and Spotify. The only two free services that I'm aware of that only have Electron apps on desktop. (YT Music doesn't have an app on desktop). Spotify has exclusive content. You don't have choice when apps are the same as services. Hate the Hulu interface? You can't watch The Handmaid's Tale on Netflix. It's that kind of thing.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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>People are said to seek rents when they try to obtain benefits for themselves through the political arena. They typically do so by getting a subsidy for a good they produce or for being in a particular class of people, by getting a tariff on a good they produce, or by getting a special regulation that hampers their competitors. You may not like the subscription business model, but it isn't rent seeking. Monthly paym…

From Wikipedia: > Rent-seeking implies extraction of uncompensated value from others without making any contribution to productivity. I think the rent seeking comment was about removing the option for (free) Dropbox sync and only supporting the subscription-based plan. They are asking for more money for less product.

That's out of context, which the preceding sentence establishes:

>by manipulating the social or political environment in which economic activities occur, rather than by creating new wealth.

Otherwise simply raising the price on something would be rent seeking.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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I spent an hour setting it up, the export worked well from 1P but you get to the very end to find out that "features" like a functioning F2A code generator or image storage are premium features that require, guess what, a subscription. Damn it. It's only $10 a year but i'd rather buy it outright the way 1P allowed me to in the past.

I like to keep my 2-factor generator separate. There are already a lot of keys in my 1password kingdom. Good to keep some things in a different safe.

If only there was a separate 2fa generator with a browser plugin to autofill, that's really the killer feature.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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What subscription model? KeePass has no subscriptions, just local exec app.

Pretty sure they're saying they switched to KeePass when 1Password introduced the subscription model.

yes, that was what I meant.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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post #587

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How different we think. I'd much rather put my trust in select people , such as Jason Donenfeld (creator of pass, Wireguard &c) with impeccable track records, than random companies that are always one quick change of management away from selling all your data off to the highest bidder.

I was rather alluring to the different mobile apps which all seems to often be developed by various unknown developers (some closed source) instead of the core developers of the main project. I too would trust the core of e.g. Syncthing or pass. Making it all work on mobile is a completely different story though. I myself can’t do without mobile access to my passwords.

Fair enough.

The mobile platform is one I ignore. The only thing I know with any certainty about my phone is that it's running a bunch of closed source spyware, so I'm not entrusting it with anything much - and certainly not my passwords.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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> Were they going out of business... Whom would you rely on to handle something that matters to you: A. Someone who refuses to eat until they start collapsing from hunger? B. Someone who eats regular meals?

You didn't answer my question. Was this a healthy and sustainable business before, or were these changes necessary for survival?

Somewhere in the middle but towards the latter end of things. I believe that before the licenses, they did not have the recurring revenue to pay for a high-quality support team.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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From Wikipedia: > Rent-seeking implies extraction of uncompensated value from others without making any contribution to productivity. I think the rent seeking comment was about removing the option for (free) Dropbox sync and only supporting the subscription-based plan. They are asking for more money for less product.

That's out of context, which the preceding sentence establishes: >by manipulating the social or political environment in which economic activities occur, rather than by creating new wealth. Otherwise simply raising the price on something would be rent seeking.

It's rent seeking because users can't buy the old version with more flexible sync options due to the monopoly granted to the 1Password by copyright.

Raising the price of something certainly can be considered rent seeking.

For example: https://pnhp.org/news/rent-seeking-by-drug-barons/

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