excellent to see. its been one of the more Orwellian trends I've seen in the US in recent years. I wouldnt say its even a top 5 or top 10 problem, but it is bad. its been increasingly unpleasant having to always worry whether any given sentence or idea shared on social media will be jumped on by an indoctrinated online mob, blind to all nuance.
A backlash against gender ideology is starting in universities
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This is a sore subject, but the difference here is that rape is an evolutionary artifact left over from when it was advantageous (from a reproductive standpoint) to do so. It was, quite frankly, an evolutionary advantage for men to rape women. I personally doubt this urge is different based on race. In fact, women’s fear or rape is one of the only times I find it acceptable to use phrasing like you described.
We are already so far into hating men that we’re fine with basically saying the desire to rape is evolutionally wired into all male brains? No complaints about sexism or anything?
You can acknowledge that premise without ‘hating men’. I am a man, and I have no problems admitting that rape was a legitimate tactic for our ancestors to pass their genetics along. It’s a fact that we’ll have to deal with. On the other hand, when it comes to issues of race, I’m hard pressed to believe there are massive evolutionary/biological differences that need to be accounted for.
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> You can notice this in a few fields of popular ideologies these days, that is overcorrecting for a problem to the point of becoming exactly the thing one was originally fighting against. I've noticed this too, it's not only gender ideology but racial ideology and more. Seems to be form of ideological "pilot-induced oscillation"[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot-induced_oscillation "[Pilot-induced oscillati…
Speaking of racial ideology, I honestly don't understand how we're supposed to become less racists if we're drawing so much attention to race and putting it left, right and center of any policy discussion?
How can you fix what you never talk about? If people speaking out and identifying discrimination makes you more racist, I really doubt not talking about it would ever make you less racist.
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>Interestingly enough, there's not much animosity toward trans-men. These ground exclusively concern themselves with trans-women. I second this. Maybe it's some echo chamber effect or a minority stirring shit up, but I've hardly heard anything over the years about transmen-as-men vs men-as-men. It seems like most of the focus is on transwomen-as-women vs women-as-women. Maybe we're not as vocal? Maybe we care less? I…
> I'm often confused as to why this topic comes up on HN Take a look around, I think you'll find transmen comprise a much larger proportion of this community (and tech communities in general) than the general population. There's also a lot of desire on HN to comment on political topics while pretending not to comment on political topics. Things like gender identity, women in tech, genetic differences, etc are all won…
> maintain a solid veneer of simply having an intellectual discussion on a topic of general interest
Some of us have an academic interest in biology, genetics, neuroscience, psychology, etc. while still aligning with the overall origin of this site as a place to discuss the latest in news as relates to technology startups.
It is unfortunate that this politically charged topic is so misunderstood and that ignorance of the basic science behind it is so prevalent, but here we are.
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> I just try to avoid meat space. This is really the best solution, to the extent possible. On the internet no one knows you're a dog, as the saying goes.
This is changing tho, with avatars and pronouns and emojis that display skin color. Now a thumbs up in Slack is segregated by color. Why people don't see this as an incredibly bad idea, I don't know.
We've got that happening by gender as well - dancing is a gender independent activity, I don't understand why I need to pick a gender to express when I want to say "I feel like dancing".
It honestly feels extremely regressive.
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> I'm often confused as to why this topic comes up on HN Take a look around, I think you'll find transmen comprise a much larger proportion of this community (and tech communities in general) than the general population. There's also a lot of desire on HN to comment on political topics while pretending not to comment on political topics. Things like gender identity, women in tech, genetic differences, etc are all won…
>maintain a solid veneer of simply having an intellectual discussion on a topic of general interest. That's a good point. My guess is that practically everyone knows what side they are on as things get more sporty. The rest is just weaving arguments for the fun of it.
> The rest is just weaving arguments for the fun of it.
Interesting discussion is the HN way!
Some enterprising scientists may have some cutting edge insights reviewing HN comments on technology topics, no reason to suspect otherwise for social sciences.
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>2. Feminists (TERFs) who believe being a woman is a fundamental, biological identity and cannot be coopted by males. I'd wager that most people believe this. Not just feminists.
54 percent of Americans believe "whether a person is a man or a woman is determined at birth". There is a wide partisan divide with 80 percent of Republicans agreeing (so probably not radical feminists) and only 34 percent of democrats agreeing. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/08/transgender...
Polls have a way of shifting rapidly. People put down what they think they're supposed to put down. See how fast support for gay rights tilted as more people came out. Most people weren't really committed to homophobia, but they thought they were expected to seem to believe certain things.
There's a name for the phenomenon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralistic_ignorance
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In academic discourse, there is no consensus on whether or not TERF constitutes a slur. But if we want to be accommodating to those who take offense with the term, we can use the term Gender Critical.
“Trans-exclusionary radical feminist” sounds pretty pejorative, most especially the “radical” part.
You can say "gender essentialist" if you feel that TERF is too loaded, but it boils down to the same thing; it's a position that denies identity rather than accepting it.
It's only pejorative in the sense that it attempts to accurately describe the motives of a set of individuals who aren't comfortable with the way those motives are widely regarded. In that sense it's about as pejorative as "racist".
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#680Can someone please tell me how important this topic based on the amount of news time and eyeballs it attracts relative to the number of people that it affects? The numbers I can find for US citizens is: 0.6% or 1,988,696 out 331,449,281 of people total for the entirety of the US in 2021. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_demographics_of_the_Unite... In the UK where the featured article took place the latest poll I…
That is hard to say. In a world full of discrimination against trans folks, who knows how many people who would prefer being trans have failed to be identified? But the topic is much bigger than that. You see, the ideology being pushed says that everyone who has gender dysphoria should be assumed to be trans. But a LOT of teenagers, particularly girls, go through a period of gender dysphoria when they hit puberty. Wh…
> That is hard to say.
Why?
There are simply more disabled people than trans people and they are getting far less attention, right?
How is that hard to say?